I think he might well be. That wasn’t really my point, but I don’t think that’s such an out there call.So you think Howe is a better manager than ETH?
Great point, I don't think we're playing the style of football he wants he's had to compromise because we don't have enough players that can do itI’ll judge him when he’s got the squad he wants. Only then will we see his true effectiveness. I think he’d done as well as he could have done with this group of players.
Yeah his tactics away from home worry me tooI don't trust his tactics away from home nor his judgement on players. He has us playing some really nice stuff at OT occasionally but he needs to be giving me more reasons than that to feel optimistic about the future.
Yeah he definitely paid too much for Antony due to signing him so late in window. Hopefully the recruitment team have a significantly bigger say in transfer this summer so Erik can focus on team.He has done well for us in his first season. If there is one thing I would put my finger on is how much we paid for Antony. He hasn't convinced me yet and I just don't believe he will.
Why he doesn't give Pellistri a chance on the right wing amazes me sometimes.He will score and assist more goals than Antony.
The 7-0 is more historically significant and what sticks in your mind as a fan, not disputing that, but it's far more important to growth, future potential, next season prospects, summer plans etc to actually win any cup, finishing above in the league and all that. So I guess if you have the mind set of viewing this season as a process to rebuild properly, then individual freak results don't bother you much and you look at things that actually impact the process or are tangible (finishing top 4, winning trophies, and then how we are progressing in the system and what are the reasons it stalls). If you just look at every season as it's own thing, and don't care about any sort of process or don't believe in that logic of building up a team over a couple years, then yeah you'll care more about every game essentially being it's final form.
For me, I'm all in the process boat, it's gonna take a few seasons to get to City's level, the squads mentality needs to be changed which can only happen over time, and the mentality is a far bigger reason for the big game collapses than anything else (given we outplayed and beat these teams at home). Maybe would be something worth more discussion if we didn't beat them at Old Trafford, but given we did, it's much easier for me to write them off as freak results and a mentality thing more than anything.
So, was the 7-0 worth it then? For the process and that.You're putting a lot of weight on things that haven't happened yet (or might never happen) to justify something that has already happened.
Like I said in my earlier reply, unless he bottles a top 4 finish he'll still manage us next season. So he'll have at least one more season to try and mask the most humiliating result in the clubs history by winning the CL or PL. If his tenure ends with us winning neither, that result will the one that'll be associated with him and his tenure more than anything.
Can't speak to this specific poster and his views, but I think for many, it's easier to cope with a humiliating result when you have the hope (no matter how misguided) that it's part of a process that'll lead us to where we ultimately aspire to be.So, was the 7-0 worth it then? For the process and that.
The 7-0 wasn't part of any process, it was a shit result. It was easier to cope with it as it was an isolated game during/after a period where we won a trophy. So yes, I'd rather have the trophy win and the 7-0 than no trophy and a normal loss.So, was the 7-0 worth it then? For the process and that.
You trust ETH? Why? He needs to take ownership of what has happened on the pitch. Yes he has been let down by our lack of football structure, but equally he wanted and has been allowed to choose players. And his signings are abysmal.I trust the manager. Not our trigged happy balless board
Absolute rubbish. He's signed a dozen players. Do Villa or Spurs have squads all signed by their managers? No. We have a team full of internationals. He is lost and his signings are woeful. He's clearly lost the players and his single pivot is why we are so open and cannot control matches. He's gone, just question of when.I’ll judge him when he’s got the squad he wants. Only then will we see his true effectiveness. I think he’d done as well as he could have done with this group of players.
Not a huge fan of ETH but if you think the numbers on Antony is all down to ETH your deluded. Yeah ETH done all the negotiating on wages and fee with AJAX and agent , yeah right.Yeah he definitely paid too much for Antony due to signing him so late in window. Hopefully the recruitment team have a significantly bigger say in transfer this summer so Erik can focus on team.
There is no version of reality in which Casemiro, Eriksen, Martinez are Abysmal signings. There is also no significant body of evidence to label Onana, Amrabat, Mount, Hoijlund, Bayindir, Reguillion nor Evans abysmal either. All you have to go on is malacia, Antony and weghorst. Confirming how histrionically ludicrous you claim is.You trust ETH? Why? He needs to take ownership of what has happened on the pitch. Yes he has been let down by our lack of football structure, but equally he wanted and has been allowed to choose players. And his signings are abysmal.
every United manager needs a whole new 23 players of their players, plus 3 years to implement their philosophy, plus they must be able to rebuild the stadium brick by brick. United fans probably the most patient of any due to the whole "Ferguson got 5 years and look what he done"Absolute rubbish. He's signed a dozen players. Do Villa or Spurs have squads all signed by their managers? No. We have a team full of internationals. He is lost and his signings are woeful. He's clearly lost the players and his single pivot is why we are so open and cannot control matches. He's gone, just question of when.
I was thinking this, I think the comment about Ajax/Man Utd did it for me, we brought him here for his football, not to pander to some united DNA which he hasn’t achieved either.The writing's on the wall IMO, we're regressing badly, all the pundits are saying the same thing, no one can identify what United, as a team, are trying to do, how they're trying to play. that's on EtH, he picks the team and decides the tactics, I think if we don't perform in the next 3 games he'll be gone
I don’t know any manager that would walk away from a 15-20m pay off.Remember when we were all worried he would walk away cause he wasn’t getting the players he wanted? Those were the days.
I say “we” but I really mean “the idiots”.I don’t know any manager that would walk away from a 15-20m pay off.
Joking aren’t you. These owners will wait until April to sack him. We got thrashed of Liverpool under Ole during our worse period and he still had a job few games later. Wasn’t until Watford battered us he lost his jobDon't want him sacked, but I've got Copenhagen away marked as his last match if he loses these next 2 games.
If he really wanted to save his reputation then he would walk away and be the first manager to do so and I think he’d get a lot of credit for it. He’d also send out a message by saying he can’t work under such a shocking structure. He’ll get another decent job after us, obvs not a bigger job but he could get a bigger job then Ajax still.I say “we” but I really mean “the idiots”.
I made that post on 8th May, 6 months ago.Absolute rubbish. He's signed a dozen players. Do Villa or Spurs have squads all signed by their managers? No. We have a team full of internationals. He is lost and his signings are woeful. He's clearly lost the players and his single pivot is why we are so open and cannot control matches. He's gone, just question of when.
