Jeppers7
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As much as I think we’ve been screwed over this season that Lindelof pen is 100%. The dopey Cnut moved his arm towards the ball.
You might be related to Alan Shearer then. The ball clearly hit his thigh, you can see both his quad moving and his short going up from the contact. Even without that, the trajectory of the ball alone tells you there must have been contact with a "hard" surface to go upward this fast.Don't think the Newcastle pen is a good overturn. It hits the hand I think, not the thigh, at worst it hits both but its not a deflection. Watched it a few times. No reason for VAR to get involved, not a clear error. Ref has seen it and should stay on the pitch.
You might be related to Alan Shearer then. The ball clearly hit his thigh, you can see both his quad moving and his short going up from the contact. Even without that, the trajectory of the ball alone tells you there must have been contact with a "hard" surface to go upward this fast.
Give over. It’s as blatant as it comes
You have video evidence that the ball hit his thigh first but you're interested in what the players ask for ? From the back angle,you can see his arm go from right to left, and no movement towards his goal which a ball coming in full speed would do. Basic physics, please never find yourself in a VAR room.The evidence is pretty clear, the Arsenal players don't tell the ref it doesn't hit his arm. They're asking for offside. You can also see from the behind angle the ball pushes his arm back.
It really isnt, Victor was trying to move his arm out of the way and if the arm wasnt there the ball would have hit his body anyway so its not like he has stopped it going to another West Ham player or in to the net.
As much as I think we’ve been screwed over this season that Lindelof pen is 100%. The dopey Cnut moved his arm towards the ball.
Peter Walton on BT says, once the referee had pointed to the spot, “it’s not the decision of the VAR to second guess the referee in terms of how much contact is required for a player to fall over … the player is moving at speed, it might have been the slightest of contacts, the referee has seen that and given it … once the VAR sees that contact, he doesn’t then have the evidence to go back to the referee and say there was no contact … it’s not down to the VAR to say there isn’t enough contact, that’s the referee’s job.”
In my book that is a clear and obvious error.That kind of sums up the idiocy of VAR in a nutshell. It is NOT designed for the ref to get another look if the VAR team feel he may have made a mistake. It is only designed to come into play if he's made a clear and obvious error.
For me that's never a pen, so good job on VAR, but then that's not VAR working how it's designed. It's such a farce.
not watching the game, but, in the Milan CL game, the VAR overturning the penalty was unanimously the correct decision on the thread. apparently it was unanimously the wrong decision in commentary, and then this:
very rare for an ex-ref on tv to criticise anything, so i think it's telling that they're criticising a var overturn.
system has got to go. they will never let it work.
Either way it’s another controversial decision on an incident that splits opinions. Which was something VAR was supposed to eradicate, not create.
It hasn’t created it though has it? It would have split opinions with or without VAR. What VAR has done in this case is allow the referee to have a second look at a difficult incident and he has decided that it’s not a foul. Excellent use of VAR.
Either way it’s another controversial decision on an incident that splits opinions. Which was something VAR was supposed to eradicate, not create.
VAR is not creating these problems, the referees are.
It was an excellent use of it. It should be "We think you might have got it wrong or missed something. Have another look".
Instead we have "you couldn't possibly make a mistake. We will only step in if you didnt see it".
But it’s still not cut and dried, is it? This is one of the rare occasions where VAR has done what it’s supposed to do and we still have differing opinions on the incident itself.
VAR is not creating these problems, the referees are.
It was an excellent use of it. It should be "We think you might have got it wrong or missed something. Have another look".
Instead we have "you couldn't possibly make a mistake. We will only step in if you didnt see it".
But that’s always going to be the case with football. The idea of VAR should be to improve decisions, not to remove debate. The reality is that we get far fewer terrible decisions now but they are obviously focussed on even more when they do occur because they are being made wrongly even with the benefit of video assistance.
VAR is creating problems. It was set up under false pretences. That we would consistently get the "correct" decision. This hasn't happened because in all the most controversial decisions there rarely is a "correct" decision and opinions will never be congruent (even a really obvious call like last night's incident has split opinions) And when technology which is supposed to remove human error fails to do what it promised then you will inevitably get accusations of bias and corruption. Which has happened throughout this season. The VAR fans keep saying "it's not VAR it's the referees" which completely ignores the fact that VAR could only ever be a tool used by, you guessed it, referees.
So Andersen punches Lerma and breaks his nose, VAR look at it and take no action.
What is the point of VAR exactly?
If he comes to us that would not be givenI can’t believe they gave that Kane penalty. The laws changed so that if a player draws the contact it’s not a foul, Kane falls into Martinez.
Kane is one of, if not the, biggest cheats in England
Wait what?! Why is this barely being reported in the press?VAR watching Anderson punch Lerma in the face and then saying it was okay because it wasn't a swinging arm.
Can't find a video of it anywhere.Wait what?! Why is this barely being reported in the press?
Wait what?! Why is this barely being reported in the press?
Wait what?! Why is this barely being reported in the press?
Can't find a video of it anywhere.
It's shown at the start of these highlights. Not the most violent of things, but he's hit him right on the nose with a closed fist.Because calling it a ‘punch’ is over-egging the matter somewhat!
And it definitely isn’t red card worthy.
Lerma should be knighted for ploughing on for the rest of the 90 montes with a broken nose too
It's shown at the start of these highlights. Not the most violent of things, but he's hit him right on the nose with a closed fist.