Good point and they make everything painfully slow... Bastards.
Manchester United name John Murtough as Football Director and Darren Fletcher as Technical Director
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Who would they bring in anyway. All the top managers are now in jobs. Except Nagelsmann.
Also DOF aren’t there for long term success or any of that nonsense. They’re there to allow the coach to focus on coaching,
Look at Liverpool and their committee nonsense. Klopp outlasted them all
Well a DOF should be there to ensure long-term success and continuity from one manager to the next or are you being sarcastic?
Any plan that involves sacking ETH at this point in time would a terrible one and any DOF who suggests doing it should be viewed with the utmost suspicion as to their base competence.New DOF and a new structure. The current is useless with the manager sitting on the same level as the DOF.
New owners, new DOF and if he the DOF wants - let him clean house. Get his own head coach, head of recruitment, academy etc in and have real synergy in the clubs vision going forward.
They should be there for long term success, but how many actually work out and how many are shown the door pretty pronto.
Also use the word synergy should invalidate the whole post.
The ownership issue will take the entire summer to resolve, so we won't see wholesale changes to the structure this summer anyways.
And a year is a long time in football.
Throw away all your gold and dig again. Madness.
But they rarely last that long. Why is it less of a risk to find a long term DOF than manager? Look at this Arbitrary list
https://topsoccerblog.com/top-best-sporting-directors-football/
Number one only seems to stay in each of his jobs for about 6 years
Edwards is at two and he didn’t spend long at Liverpool
This idea of having a DOF that weaves the club between managers just doesn’t happen.
I take the point as I wasn't aware of that. Although managers only last 2 years on average, don't they? 6 years is quite long in that context.
Honestly I'd rather we go for Mount and someone like Lavia as a cheaper backup for Casemiro.
I like Caicedo a lot but I get the impression he's not the profile of midfielder Ten Hag is looking for in his setup. He's just had an azomg pl f
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I like Caicedo a lot but I get the impression he's not the profile of midfielder Ten Hag is looking for in his setup. He's just had an azomg pl f
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At the same time they’re successful DOF. A successful manager alone would have the same kind of longevity? It not far off anyway.
I just can’t understand this idea that a DOF brings longevity and continuity when it seems they’re just as hard to source as a successful manager
Exactly
What does Andy O'Boyle do? Let alone Steve BrownNew DOF and a new structure. The current is useless with the manager sitting on the same level as the DOF.
New owners, new DOF and if he the DOF wants - let him clean house. Get his own head coach, head of recruitment, academy etc in and have real synergy in the clubs vision going forward.
Someday a real rain will come…New DOF and a new structure. The current is useless with the manager sitting on the same level as the DOF.
New owners, new DOF and if he the DOF wants - let him clean house. Get his own head coach, head of recruitment, academy etc in and have real synergy in the clubs vision going forward.
O'Boyle assists Murtough. Steve Brown probably does the tea rounds and arranged the staff xmas party.
Being Head of Recruitment at United would seem to involve asking Ten Hag if there are any player he fancies from his time back in Holland and furiously taking notes and then making tea for the lads.
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Agreed
Don't forget losing the notes along the way and then going for the English flavour of the month.
Never a truer word spoken on the Caf.
To clean the gunk out of Redcafe pipes
Sorry, think I got attacked by my cat, had no idea it posted
Sorry, think I got attacked by my cat, had no idea it posted
Honestly I'm as likely to believe anything coming from the club hierarchy as I am anonymous reports from journalists. They also said they were looking for a DOF and spent about 2 years doing nothing before appointing the head scout to the job.Our “sources” it’s not some secret
Darren will work closely with John to add technical input and direction into all football and performance areas. He will focus on a co-ordinated and long-term approach to player and squad development, helping maintain the integral link between the Academy and the first team, aligned with Manchester United’s values and culture.
https://www.manutd.com/en/amp/news/...t-of-football-director-and-technical-director
Feck me. Then what will you believe?! Jesus Christ almighty above
Just leave it Sof - WALK AWAY mate.
It's funny because I think last summer was the first transfer window in probably over a decade where I thought they got all the signings right and I think this season has shown that to be true. For the last 10 years we will sign people who come in playing well but start dropping off after a few months which didn't happen this season, if anything signings were getting better. We did overpay on players like Antony but that is down to the owners being morons than it is down to Arnold and Murtough being poor at their jobs. I think once we get new owners these two will continue to form a good partnership and excel especially with Ten Hag at the helm. Adnan has been very vocal about Murtough's credentials and I think Arnold has seen what Woodward had done wrong and has played a more backend role letting the football side of things do their job rather than interfere which is what a good CEO would do in my opinion.
As far as the United hierarchy goes, not much. We can't be sure what they're actually doing behind closed doors. It's not that big of a deal though
Until the owners leave we don't know if Murtough is doing a good job or not. I used to think he was terrible, delaying on signings, scattergun approach etc. But now I'm starting to think it's the owners that is delaying in signing, asking way too much for deadwood.
I have a feeling not much will get done until the sale of the club is done.
I have a feeling not much will get done until the sale of the club is done.
Which is exactly why Fergie needed to publicly come out with his famous "no value in the market" statement. That was his way of reminding everyone we don't have a bottomless pit of cash.
United's transfer engine has always needed an occasional oil change to keep it running smoothly. Under Woodward we'd been running on a black sludge for an entire decade. If it takes losing out on Mount to flush out all of that gunk, so be it.
That comment was too explain away the Glazers being tight arses and refusing to spend the Ronaldo money. It was absolute bollocks from Fergie at the time.
Spot on. He was notoriously uncomfortable with the rise of agents but that was the market reality. His 'no value' was disgraceful cover for the Glazers.
Like others posted here, Fergie's words seemed to be more like a cover for the Glazers more than anything else.
Now, there was nothing wrong with saying it one year in hope that it helps us get players more comfortably later on. But mentioning it year after year instead of just paying the money needed in order to sign class players didn't do us any service.
Two sides of the same coin. Only difference is perspective.
Murtough and Fletch used to get a lot of stick but I think it is slowly dawning on all of us that the real problem all along, even at this level, was the Glazers. Even some of the stick Moyes got for dithering may now be seen as unfair and all down to these leeches. I'd be all for giving the lads a chance in a new regime at this stage, they may flourish in the right environment.