Manchester United name John Murtough as Football Director and Darren Fletcher as Technical Director

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80 million on anthony and 60 on mount. He loves a big fee for an average player
 
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With the limited knowledge I have on this, if asked who out of Murtough or Arnold to keep, I'd go the latter all day long. Maybe some of that is because I've heard Arnold speak and found him warm and honest (in the pub chat with the protestors, which was admittedly small-time but humanised him, and also at the United awards show).

Besides some of the stupid stuff I see us doing from a footballing point of view, two other things stick in my mind about Murtough -

1) The conversation with Lingard, rejecting a loan but offering days off, seemingly without Ralf Rangnick's say-so
2) The fact that the media basically had to tell ETH that Luke Shaw signed a new contract. Why the feck isn't Murtough doing that?

He seems to be a poor communicator. For someone meant to be getting our footballing operations organised, he seems to be doing anything but that. Having said all this, it's really hard to assess while the Glazers are in charge. Maybe the likes of Murtough and the scouts etc. will thrive under new owners.

As for Fletcher, I don't get the crazy hate/suspicion over him here. He's clearly a very intelligent bloke (I've spoken to him so perhaps I'm biased) and lots of successful clubs employ ex players in more important roles than our Darren occupies.
Why do you think that's true? Was a Shaw deal announced by the club when ETH was asked about it?
 

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Sack this fecking donkey. Offering Mason fecking mount 300k. I hope the first thing the new owners do is bin this absolute useless director.
 

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Nonchalantly scoring the winner...

Hopefully bonuses that are hard to achieve like goals + trophies and not appearances or whatever.
fecking ridiculous, those are talisman wages. A player like Mount should only get to wages like that after years of proving they’re a key player for the club.

How much will Mac Allister be on at Liverpool I wonder, after they bought him for 35m.
 

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Seems like difficulty with FFP and moving on players doesn't have any effect on our ability to overpay.

I won't be surprised if we are offering 200k for De Gea to be a back up GK.
 

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Let’s hope he’s wrong and his wages aren’t that insane.

What was he on at Chelsea does anyone know?
Somebody said 80k, and they offered him 200k which is what he rejected. If that's true then I imagine that is the minimum we offered too.

I think people who thought we'd be signing him on £100k a week are kidding themselves a bit though.
 

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They are pretty high. That’s just typical Utd though in recent years and that won’t change until the ownership does.
That's not going to change with new owners mate. Until we're in a position to guarantee trophies again we're going to have to overpay anyone to a certain extent.
 

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That's not going to change with new owners mate. Until we're in a position to guarantee trophies again we're going to have to overpay anyone to a certain extent.
If we get Qatari owners I believe major success won’t be far off, so attracting players won’t be solely based on paying extortionate wages.
 

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If we get Qatari owners I believe major success won’t be far off, so attracting players won’t be solely based on paying extortionate wages.
Oil money can be spent awfully too. Hopefully they are more like the city people (can't believe I just said that) and not the PSG people. That club is a circus.
 

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I am talking about mess he made regarding that extension circus. Not about final decision will Dave leave or stay.

And for the last time; Murtough is the boss of Erik. Not opposite. If Erik changed his mind then it is third time that Murtough looks like a clown because of Erik (and when he looks like a clown then club look also).
First he camped 2 months in Barcelona for Frenkie (who didn't have any desire to leave Barca). Then he overpayed hugely for Antony and now this with Dave.

I am delighted with having Erik as a manager but DoF who will be manager's yes man is a absolute disaster for the club in a long run.
He's really not though. They all work together on transfers. As for de Jong, yeah United probably stuck around for too long on that one but did it really hurt us in the end? We had a good plan B option lined up in Casemiro which once we decided to pivot to got done very quickly. The overpay for Antony I don't think was the club's fault. The Glazers only decided to loosen the purse strings after the Brentford disaster. I think Murtough/ten Hag would've liked to have had the Antony deal done earlier in the window but due to uncertainty of the amount available and prioritizing other positions, we decided to wait and hope Ajax lower the price.

A lot of our problems in the market come down to how the Glazers operate and I fail to see how another director would've changed some of these issues the club has faced in recent years. As I said a few pages back, I still don't know how good Murtough is at his job as I don't believe he's really had a good crack at it. He seems to be held back a lot by the owners.
 

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It will be obvious the wages are huge that is why he is coming to us…as with many players.
 

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Why do you think that's true? Was a Shaw deal announced by the club when ETH was asked about it?
- See second tweet. Surely Murtough would tell ETH before having it announced. It's not a huge deal but it's a minor detail that looks bad. We have very little to work with concerning John Murtough's performance in his role as there's so many factors that affect it (especially the Glazers). But there's lots of little hints that the guy, at times at least, lacks some basic communication skills. I'm all for the new owners giving existing staff a chance but I'm not convinced Murtough will prove he's anywhere near 'best in class'.
 

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I find it funny that some seem to view the club's money as their own, and worked up whenever they feel the club's overspent.
 

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I find it funny that some seem to view the club's money as their own, and worked up whenever they feel the club's overspent.
If you mean well to this club you would be concerned as well. Otherwise it’s one of the most stupid takes someone can make out off all the mess from the last 10 years.
 
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For people playing at home, Mount is probably going to be the successor to Bruno in 3 or 4 years time, or at least have that opportunity in a much different stable team with or without EtH.
 

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Nonchalantly scoring the winner...
I find it funny that some seem to view the club's money as their own, and worked up whenever they feel the club's overspent.
Wage structure is crucial to squad management and affects what you see on the pitch.

A club with a broken wage structure very rarely excels. Utd has a very broken wage structure and it needs to be fixed for the club to turn itself around.
 

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I find it funny that some seem to view the club's money as their own, and worked up whenever they feel the club's overspent.
Well yes, but people are also thinking of how hard it is for us to move failed signings on because of the well above market rate wages United tend to pay.

I’m pretty confident Mount will do well for us, but in the event that he does flop, those huge wages (if true) will make it hard to get rid of him.
 

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I find it funny that some seem to view the club's money as their own, and worked up whenever they feel the club's overspent.
If we didn't overspend last summer we could probably put in a big enough bid to tempt Levy this summer. Also look at what happened in January because of how the summer window unfolded. In the end we only had enough for weghorst. It's not my money but I do care about how it affects the clubs future dealings.