Robert Sanchez | signs for Chelsea

Status
Not open for further replies.

Sid234

Full Member
Joined
Feb 24, 2013
Messages
3,749
Location
Infinity
Was linked with us at one point (playing under Potter) before he lost his spot in the team under De Zerbi.
But this just feels more like lazy journalism to drum up interest in Sanchez considering all the news put there that we are looking at alternatives to Onana
 

Lux Thunder

Full Member
Joined
May 7, 2021
Messages
501
Wasn’t long ago that this man was the red cafe darling. Suddenly has a fall out with De Zerbi and now nobody wants him.

Personally never saw the fuss and I don’t see anyone paying £30m for him. Be interesting to see how Brighton play this.
He's still my darling. :D:D

I would prefer Onana, but honestly, I wouldn't mind him here. Things in football are not, as in real life too, just black and white and it is easy to go and say "Ooh, what are we doing, are we gonna replace the golden glove winner with Brighton's third choice !?". But, as crazy as it sounds, I would gladly replace DDG with Sanchez, any day of the week.

The "fact" that he is their third choice is also something that I found partly wrong - signing Verbruggen is their reaction to his fell out with RDZ, not that he was made a third choice by quality selection. His reaction to being dropped for Steele also cemented his status for the remainder of the season but what happened in the last months simply doesn't change his ability as a goalkeeper.

IMO he is a very well-rounded goalkeeper and, despite his fell out with RDZ and the current situation at Brighton, at the age of 25 I still rate him as a top prospect.
 

UTAretro

Full Member
Joined
Aug 7, 2022
Messages
436
Supports
Brighton
He did well for us in the main - and his dropping for what was considered a perennial second or third choice, in the form of Jason Steele, was a big shock. Steele was brought in ages ago as third choice behind Maty Ryan and David Button(!) when he joined. Prior to this he had a shocking relegation campaign with Sunderland, as shown in the TV documentary. The turn-around in his career has been quite remarkable.

Sanchez made stupid mistakes though. He was far too casual with the ball at his feet - as if he was trying too hard to look relaxed. Big occasions got to him, culminating in a dreadful dropped catch against our bitter rivals Crystal Palace, which cost us the win.

He did not take getting dropped at all well, despite being allowed to play in the Cup Semi Final, but despite playing well he didn’t regain his place and then subsequently refused to train/be selected on the bench. De Zerbi said “This isn’t the club’s choice, it’s his”.

Steele came in and was frankly superb, especially with his distribution, which once again proved De Zerbi’s selection right. Bad for Sanchez but great for the team as a whole.

The writing was on the wall since then, same as when Sanchez was a surprise choice to suddenly replace Maty Ryan. The signing of Verbruggen to compete with Steele has confirmed Sanchez is going.

The question is, who would want him? He’s a good PL level keeper and still very young. I don’t think he’s good enough to be your #1, and wouldn’t replace any of the top ten side’s keepers. His biggest chance was Spurs to replace Lloris, but that ship has sailed too.

My prediction: you will get Pickford for around £45m, and Everton will sign Sanchez with a promise of being their #1 for around £15-20m.
 

Lash

Full Member
Joined
May 3, 2012
Messages
12,846
Location
Buckinghamshire
Supports
Millwall, Saint-Etienne
He did well for us in the main - and his dropping for what was considered a perennial second or third choice, in the form of Jason Steele, was a big shock. Steele was brought in ages ago as third choice behind Maty Ryan and David Button(!) when he joined. Prior to this he had a shocking relegation campaign with Sunderland, as shown in the TV documentary. The turn-around in his career has been quite remarkable.

Sanchez made stupid mistakes though. He was far too casual with the ball at his feet - as if he was trying too hard to look relaxed. Big occasions got to him, culminating in a dreadful dropped catch against our bitter rivals Crystal Palace, which cost us the win.

He did not take getting dropped at all well, despite being allowed to play in the Cup Semi Final, but despite playing well he didn’t regain his place and then subsequently refused to train/be selected on the bench. De Zerbi said “This isn’t the club’s choice, it’s his”.

Steele came in and was frankly superb, especially with his distribution, which once again proved De Zerbi’s selection right. Bad for Sanchez but great for the team as a whole.

The writing was on the wall since then, same as when Sanchez was a surprise choice to suddenly replace Maty Ryan. The signing of Verbruggen to compete with Steele has confirmed Sanchez is going.

The question is, who would want him? He’s a good PL level keeper and still very young. I don’t think he’s good enough to be your #1, and wouldn’t replace any of the top ten side’s keepers. His biggest chance was Spurs to replace Lloris, but that ship has sailed too.

My prediction: you will get Pickford for around £45m, and Everton will sign Sanchez with a promise of being their #1 for around £15-20m.
It was all going so well until your prediction.
 

pocco

loco
Joined
Mar 17, 2010
Messages
23,065
Location
Keep a clean shit tomorrow, United is my final bus
That's too far back. Even this season, he was the GK during the FA cup semi final and he was elite all game, playing out from the back and cross claiming. He stood out and was just outshone by caicedo. People are just beefing just becoz he is not number 1 following a fallout with the manager. Doesn't change the fact that he actually good and miles better than de gea
I was at Wembley and for some reason I thought it was their other keeper in goals. Sanchez fell out with de Zerbi this season and hadn't been featuring much. Was a good performance for sure, but I was blown away by some of his play in the game I mentioned. Looked like he could have played in midfield that day.
 

Lash

Full Member
Joined
May 3, 2012
Messages
12,846
Location
Buckinghamshire
Supports
Millwall, Saint-Etienne
Fair play! :lol:
It's very interesting to see from a Brighton fan's perspective how this has come to pass. I think most outsiders find it all a bit baffling. Not only how Sanchez fell so out of favour, but how good Steele is with his distribution - thus really putting the final nail in the coffin.

I think the fact we're severely haggling on the price for Onana, who is:

a) miles better than Pickford
b) clearly the manager's choice if possible

Means we are very unlikely to go for Pickford for that kind of figure. Maybe if he ends up being priced extremely low (£15m or so), I can see us going for him. Otherwise there's a lot of keepers that will be higher on the list.
 

CM

Full Member
Joined
Jul 24, 2014
Messages
7,492
Onana would still be my preferred choice but if Sanchez was available for a cut price deal I wouldn't necessarily be mad at it. He fell out of favour at Brighton in strange circumstances and would count towards the homegrown quota.
 

bosnian_red

Worst scout to ever exist
Joined
Aug 13, 2011
Messages
58,412
Location
Canada
So was Mounts initial tweet from James Olley of ESPN.

Point I’m trying to make is to not rule out everything and always keep a lil bit of belief that something may happen.

That being said, I’d he disappointed with Sanchez. I’d rather Onana
I don't discount every rumor... Just some feel easy to quickly discard (like Kim or Amrabat imo). Doesn't make sense. This one I guess I could see as a backup, but 0 chance as a starter. If he came it'd be to backup de Gea staying, which would be utterly depressing. But close to 0 chance of Sanchez coming to be the starter, and when it comes to backup goalkeeper signings, they are as close to irrelevant signings as there could be.
 

Amadaeus

Pochémon Fan Club Chairman
Joined
May 8, 2013
Messages
9,234
Location
Amongst footballing managerial 'Gods'
If it gives us more money to spend elsewhere, I would be for it. De gea is still a good shot stopper, but going from Costa to onana to Sanchez is a bit underwhelming. However, we already have the best shot stopper in goal, so it isn't to bad.
 

croadyman

Full Member
Joined
Mar 9, 2018
Messages
35,656
If it gives us more money to spend elsewhere, I would be for it. De gea is still a good shot stopper, but going from Costa to onana to Sanchez is a bit underwhelming. However, we already have the best shot stopper in goal, so it isn't to bad.
All games being played
 

Dread Devil

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Aug 8, 2019
Messages
177
Location
Cork, Ireland
We need a keeper with more attitude, a keeper that commands his-area better and most importantly can pass a ball with his feet.

We also need to consider getting a keeper who can make a difference in penalty shoot outs….the margins are tight at the top and this differential should be considered…

Sanchez wasn’t convincing at all at Wembley and this for me is another reason to go the xtra mile for a keeper like Onana…

I think I would rather ask De Gea to stay on reasonable wages than give Brighton 20/ 30m for their third keeper….
 

croadyman

Full Member
Joined
Mar 9, 2018
Messages
35,656
We need a keeper with more attitude, a keeper that commands his-area better and most importantly can pass a ball with his feet.

We also need to consider getting a keeper who can make a difference in penalty shoot outs….the margins are tight at the top and this differential should be considered…

Sanchez wasn’t convincing at all at Wembley and this for me is another reason to go the xtra mile for a keeper like Onana…

I think I would rather ask De Gea to stay on reasonable wages than give Brighton 20/ 30m for their third keeper….
Oh yeah we need to go extra mile for him
 

AndySmith1990

Full Member
Joined
Oct 2, 2021
Messages
6,507
If it gives us more money to spend elsewhere, I would be for it. De gea is still a good shot stopper, but going from Costa to onana to Sanchez is a bit underwhelming. However, we already have the best shot stopper in goal, so it isn't to bad.
He's not the best shot stopper and he's shit at everything else. Time to move on and stop being stuck in the past
 

daba

Full Member
Joined
Jun 17, 2021
Messages
966
He's still my darling. :D:D

I would prefer Onana, but honestly, I wouldn't mind him here. Things in football are not, as in real life too, just black and white and it is easy to go and say "Ooh, what are we doing, are we gonna replace the golden glove winner with Brighton's third choice !?". But, as crazy as it sounds, I would gladly replace DDG with Sanchez, any day of the week.

The "fact" that he is their third choice is also something that I found partly wrong - signing Verbruggen is their reaction to his fell out with RDZ, not that he was made a third choice by quality selection. His reaction to being dropped for Steele also cemented his status for the remainder of the season but what happened in the last months simply doesn't change his ability as a goalkeeper.

IMO he is a very well-rounded goalkeeper and, despite his fell out with RDZ and the current situation at Brighton, at the age of 25 I still rate him as a top prospect.
I’d prefer Sanchez in goal over De Gea, I’m with you on that.

My issue is he is decent, and only decent. I don’t see him as an elite GK that would elevate enough to warrant spend a significant portion of our budget on. If he was available for £15m then yeah, why not as a stop gap. At £30m I’d rather test Brentford’s resolve for Raya, but really we should just be going for Onana at probably £45m.
 

city-puma

Full Member
Joined
Dec 10, 2020
Messages
3,367
Location
NYC
He did well for us in the main - and his dropping for what was considered a perennial second or third choice, in the form of Jason Steele, was a big shock. Steele was brought in ages ago as third choice behind Maty Ryan and David Button(!) when he joined. Prior to this he had a shocking relegation campaign with Sunderland, as shown in the TV documentary. The turn-around in his career has been quite remarkable.

Sanchez made stupid mistakes though. He was far too casual with the ball at his feet - as if he was trying too hard to look relaxed. Big occasions got to him, culminating in a dreadful dropped catch against our bitter rivals Crystal Palace, which cost us the win.

He did not take getting dropped at all well, despite being allowed to play in the Cup Semi Final, but despite playing well he didn’t regain his place and then subsequently refused to train/be selected on the bench. De Zerbi said “This isn’t the club’s choice, it’s his”.

Steele came in and was frankly superb, especially with his distribution, which once again proved De Zerbi’s selection right. Bad for Sanchez but great for the team as a whole.

The writing was on the wall since then, same as when Sanchez was a surprise choice to suddenly replace Maty Ryan. The signing of Verbruggen to compete with Steele has confirmed Sanchez is going.

The question is, who would want him? He’s a good PL level keeper and still very young. I don’t think he’s good enough to be your #1, and wouldn’t replace any of the top ten side’s keepers. His biggest chance was Spurs to replace Lloris, but that ship has sailed too.

My prediction: you will get Pickford for around £45m, and Everton will sign Sanchez with a promise of being their #1 for around £15-20m.
For 15mil, it’s a super buy for us!
 

UTAretro

Full Member
Joined
Aug 7, 2022
Messages
436
Supports
Brighton
For 15mil, it’s a super buy for us!
I agree, and I’m sure he’d jump at the chance to join one of the biggest clubs in the world and triple his pay in the process. He’s made a lot of noise about having to play regularly, however, as he wants to be Spain’s #1. Time will tell how seriously he’s taking that. If he stays in the PL’d have thought he’d want promises on appearances.
 

Bebestation

Im a doctor btw, my IQ destroys yours
Joined
Oct 9, 2019
Messages
11,862
Brighton is the British Dortmund, except few, most will flop.
 

roonster09

FA Cup Predictions 2023/2024 winner
Scout
Joined
May 10, 2009
Messages
37,008
If you check his fbref stats, it's a consistent downward spiral.

2020-21 - Good at crosses stopped, Defensive actions outside penalty area, average distance of defensive actions,.
2021-22 - Good at crosses stopped and bad at other 2.
2022-23 - Average at crosses stopped and bad at other 2.

Not sure how good he is now but before last season he always looked impressive, especially with his passing.
 

OmarUnited4ever

Full Member
Joined
Jan 1, 2021
Messages
3,514
I do not follow BHA, but how did Sanchez become 3rd choice at Brighton, I thought we was always 1st choice GK unless injured, did Steele takeover the first spot? and who is the the 2nd choice ahead of Sanchez?

Edit: I see the post from @UTAretro which explains everything.
 

edcunited1878

Full Member
Joined
Sep 3, 2014
Messages
8,935
Location
San Diego, CA
If it gives us more money to spend elsewhere, I would be for it. De gea is still a good shot stopper, but going from Costa to onana to Sanchez is a bit underwhelming. However, we already have the best shot stopper in goal, so it isn't to bad.
When you say "us", who exactly are you referring to??
 

babablue

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Oct 12, 2020
Messages
213
Call it entitlement or arrogance, but absolutely no way we should be considering any non starter from fecking Brighton. I don't care why he's not starting. What has happened to this club?
 

Garethw

scored 25-30 goals a season as a right footed RW
Joined
Feb 7, 2005
Messages
17,075
Location
England:
When you say "us", who exactly are you referring to??
He’s quite obviously talking about Manchester United. “We” and “us” are quite common words to use when talking about the football club you support.
 

Lee565

Full Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2019
Messages
5,133
It does not say much for our club ambition if we were to settle for Brighton 3rd choice keeper as our main keeper, that mentality will not get us anywhere near challenging for anything noteworthy next season
 

Orange Tree

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Jan 5, 2013
Messages
2,137
They just bought his replacement for 20m. Make it 10m or something.
 

Lux Thunder

Full Member
Joined
May 7, 2021
Messages
501
I’d prefer Sanchez in goal over De Gea, I’m with you on that.

My issue is he is decent, and only decent. I don’t see him as an elite GK that would elevate enough to warrant spend a significant portion of our budget on. If he was available for £15m then yeah, why not as a stop gap. At £30m I’d rather test Brentford’s resolve for Raya, but really we should just be going for Onana at probably £45m.
I agree Onana is more nailed on option for us, but if we somehow miraculously fail to sign him, Sanchez wouldn't be as bad an option as some posters are making it.

Why I can see a room for Sanchez here and where he can actually improve us in general, comparing him with DDG, is the fact he excelled at things that are highlighted as a weakness for his compatriot:
  • General style - He is level above DDG in terms of his self-confidence, aggressiveness and composure. His aggressive and proactive style can lead to occasional errors, just like with Onana, but generally speaking the benefits for the team exceeds those errors by far.
  • Dealing with crosses - There is no surprise to say that someone at 6′ 6″ is very good at commanding his area and claiming crosses, but his positioning and technique to execute is remarkable. He is comfortable with going for the high balls well away from his line, what is night and day difference compared to DDG, and his timing to go for it at the very highest point maximise his aerial dominance and ability.
  • Positioning - Not just with his crosses, his positioning when he is anticipating shots is IMO better than DDG's. For someone of his size, he is very quick with his footwork which helps him be properly positioned and change direction if necessary which make his saves mostly look like routine ones in contrast to DDG who is not so good at this and that requires much more effort to stop shots. That's why his saves look more difficult like “Hollywood ones”. Is Sanchez truly better at shot stopping ? Arguably. But does he make his life easier with his positioning and quick feet ? Definitely.
  • Distribution - He was an active part in Brighton’s build up and with his short passing is good, but he can be overly composed sometimes which can lead to mistakes. But what I love with his distribution are medium and long range passess. He has unique technique, vision and, most importantly, pace on the ball to execute those kinds of passes and turn it into a goal creating chance for his team. That immediately sends a warning to opposition who will think twice about applying high press on us or dropping deep to prevent those situations - totally in contrast to what we see when we had DDG as a goalkeeper.
To conclude, Sanchez is a more decent option than a nailed on starter for us, but at his current status with Brighton and our reported small budget he is a more than attainable option and someone ETH would be interested to work with given his abilities. It is just a case that not every signing must be "flashy", sometimes even a decent one can significantly improve your team.
 

edcunited1878

Full Member
Joined
Sep 3, 2014
Messages
8,935
Location
San Diego, CA
He’s quite obviously talking about Manchester United. “We” and “us” are quite common words to use when talking about the football club you support.
Thing is, when it comes to that poster specifically, the only person they really support is Poch and it's borderline obsessive. It's bizzare. So I was being facetious
 

Abraxas

Full Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2021
Messages
6,146
No way near good enough. We need to target the best available. Onana, Costa. Even that lad from French football that has great numbers would be a more interesting option. But that would require some actual scouting by us.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.