He isn't good good enough for Brighton. Hence makes zero sense for us
Robert Sanchez | signs for Chelsea
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I'd take him for 30m
Was linked with us at one point (playing under Potter) before he lost his spot in the team under De Zerbi.
But this just feels more like lazy journalism to drum up interest in Sanchez considering all the news put there that we are looking at alternatives to Onana
But this just feels more like lazy journalism to drum up interest in Sanchez considering all the news put there that we are looking at alternatives to Onana
He's still my darling.
I would prefer Onana, but honestly, I wouldn't mind him here. Things in football are not, as in real life too, just black and white and it is easy to go and say "Ooh, what are we doing, are we gonna replace the golden glove winner with Brighton's third choice !?". But, as crazy as it sounds, I would gladly replace DDG with Sanchez, any day of the week.
The "fact" that he is their third choice is also something that I found partly wrong - signing Verbruggen is their reaction to his fell out with RDZ, not that he was made a third choice by quality selection. His reaction to being dropped for Steele also cemented his status for the remainder of the season but what happened in the last months simply doesn't change his ability as a goalkeeper.
IMO he is a very well-rounded goalkeeper and, despite his fell out with RDZ and the current situation at Brighton, at the age of 25 I still rate him as a top prospect.
He did well for us in the main - and his dropping for what was considered a perennial second or third choice, in the form of Jason Steele, was a big shock. Steele was brought in ages ago as third choice behind Maty Ryan and David Button(!) when he joined. Prior to this he had a shocking relegation campaign with Sunderland, as shown in the TV documentary. The turn-around in his career has been quite remarkable.
Sanchez made stupid mistakes though. He was far too casual with the ball at his feet - as if he was trying too hard to look relaxed. Big occasions got to him, culminating in a dreadful dropped catch against our bitter rivals Crystal Palace, which cost us the win.
He did not take getting dropped at all well, despite being allowed to play in the Cup Semi Final, but despite playing well he didn’t regain his place and then subsequently refused to train/be selected on the bench. De Zerbi said “This isn’t the club’s choice, it’s his”.
Steele came in and was frankly superb, especially with his distribution, which once again proved De Zerbi’s selection right. Bad for Sanchez but great for the team as a whole.
The writing was on the wall since then, same as when Sanchez was a surprise choice to suddenly replace Maty Ryan. The signing of Verbruggen to compete with Steele has confirmed Sanchez is going.
The question is, who would want him? He’s a good PL level keeper and still very young. I don’t think he’s good enough to be your #1, and wouldn’t replace any of the top ten side’s keepers. His biggest chance was Spurs to replace Lloris, but that ship has sailed too.
My prediction: you will get Pickford for around £45m, and Everton will sign Sanchez with a promise of being their #1 for around £15-20m.
Sanchez made stupid mistakes though. He was far too casual with the ball at his feet - as if he was trying too hard to look relaxed. Big occasions got to him, culminating in a dreadful dropped catch against our bitter rivals Crystal Palace, which cost us the win.
He did not take getting dropped at all well, despite being allowed to play in the Cup Semi Final, but despite playing well he didn’t regain his place and then subsequently refused to train/be selected on the bench. De Zerbi said “This isn’t the club’s choice, it’s his”.
Steele came in and was frankly superb, especially with his distribution, which once again proved De Zerbi’s selection right. Bad for Sanchez but great for the team as a whole.
The writing was on the wall since then, same as when Sanchez was a surprise choice to suddenly replace Maty Ryan. The signing of Verbruggen to compete with Steele has confirmed Sanchez is going.
The question is, who would want him? He’s a good PL level keeper and still very young. I don’t think he’s good enough to be your #1, and wouldn’t replace any of the top ten side’s keepers. His biggest chance was Spurs to replace Lloris, but that ship has sailed too.
My prediction: you will get Pickford for around £45m, and Everton will sign Sanchez with a promise of being their #1 for around £15-20m.
It was all going so well until your prediction.
was literally about to type the same thing.I was at Wembley and for some reason I thought it was their other keeper in goals. Sanchez fell out with de Zerbi this season and hadn't been featuring much. Was a good performance for sure, but I was blown away by some of his play in the game I mentioned. Looked like he could have played in midfield that day.
It's very interesting to see from a Brighton fan's perspective how this has come to pass. I think most outsiders find it all a bit baffling. Not only how Sanchez fell so out of favour, but how good Steele is with his distribution - thus really putting the final nail in the coffin.Fair play!
I think the fact we're severely haggling on the price for Onana, who is:
a) miles better than Pickford
b) clearly the manager's choice if possible
Means we are very unlikely to go for Pickford for that kind of figure. Maybe if he ends up being priced extremely low (£15m or so), I can see us going for him. Otherwise there's a lot of keepers that will be higher on the list.
Onana would still be my preferred choice but if Sanchez was available for a cut price deal I wouldn't necessarily be mad at it. He fell out of favour at Brighton in strange circumstances and would count towards the homegrown quota.
Being willing to fork out £60m for Mount, but not £50m for Onana seems a bit silly imo.
Rubbish source to go with a rubbish keeper
This link does feel decidedly mid-table, doesn’t it? He’s Definately not better than DDG.
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I don't discount every rumor... Just some feel easy to quickly discard (like Kim or Amrabat imo). Doesn't make sense. This one I guess I could see as a backup, but 0 chance as a starter. If he came it'd be to backup de Gea staying, which would be utterly depressing. But close to 0 chance of Sanchez coming to be the starter, and when it comes to backup goalkeeper signings, they are as close to irrelevant signings as there could be.
If it gives us more money to spend elsewhere, I would be for it. De gea is still a good shot stopper, but going from Costa to onana to Sanchez is a bit underwhelming. However, we already have the best shot stopper in goal, so it isn't to bad.
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We need a keeper with more attitude, a keeper that commands his-area better and most importantly can pass a ball with his feet.
We also need to consider getting a keeper who can make a difference in penalty shoot outs….the margins are tight at the top and this differential should be considered…
Sanchez wasn’t convincing at all at Wembley and this for me is another reason to go the xtra mile for a keeper like Onana…
I think I would rather ask De Gea to stay on reasonable wages than give Brighton 20/ 30m for their third keeper….
We also need to consider getting a keeper who can make a difference in penalty shoot outs….the margins are tight at the top and this differential should be considered…
Sanchez wasn’t convincing at all at Wembley and this for me is another reason to go the xtra mile for a keeper like Onana…
I think I would rather ask De Gea to stay on reasonable wages than give Brighton 20/ 30m for their third keeper….
Oh yeah we need to go extra mile for him
He's not the best shot stopper and he's shit at everything else. Time to move on and stop being stuck in the past
I presume you've just woken from a five year coma?
I’d prefer Sanchez in goal over De Gea, I’m with you on that.He's still my darling.
I would prefer Onana, but honestly, I wouldn't mind him here. Things in football are not, as in real life too, just black and white and it is easy to go and say "Ooh, what are we doing, are we gonna replace the golden glove winner with Brighton's third choice !?". But, as crazy as it sounds, I would gladly replace DDG with Sanchez, any day of the week.
The "fact" that he is their third choice is also something that I found partly wrong - signing Verbruggen is their reaction to his fell out with RDZ, not that he was made a third choice by quality selection. His reaction to being dropped for Steele also cemented his status for the remainder of the season but what happened in the last months simply doesn't change his ability as a goalkeeper.
IMO he is a very well-rounded goalkeeper and, despite his fell out with RDZ and the current situation at Brighton, at the age of 25 I still rate him as a top prospect.
My issue is he is decent, and only decent. I don’t see him as an elite GK that would elevate enough to warrant spend a significant portion of our budget on. If he was available for £15m then yeah, why not as a stop gap. At £30m I’d rather test Brentford’s resolve for Raya, but really we should just be going for Onana at probably £45m.
For 15mil, it’s a super buy for us!
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I agree, and I’m sure he’d jump at the chance to join one of the biggest clubs in the world and triple his pay in the process. He’s made a lot of noise about having to play regularly, however, as he wants to be Spain’s #1. Time will tell how seriously he’s taking that. If he stays in the PL’d have thought he’d want promises on appearances.
Brighton is the British Dortmund, except few, most will flop.
If you check his fbref stats, it's a consistent downward spiral.
2020-21 - Good at crosses stopped, Defensive actions outside penalty area, average distance of defensive actions,.
2021-22 - Good at crosses stopped and bad at other 2.
2022-23 - Average at crosses stopped and bad at other 2.
Not sure how good he is now but before last season he always looked impressive, especially with his passing.
2020-21 - Good at crosses stopped, Defensive actions outside penalty area, average distance of defensive actions,.
2021-22 - Good at crosses stopped and bad at other 2.
2022-23 - Average at crosses stopped and bad at other 2.
Not sure how good he is now but before last season he always looked impressive, especially with his passing.
I do not follow BHA, but how did Sanchez become 3rd choice at Brighton, I thought we was always 1st choice GK unless injured, did Steele takeover the first spot? and who is the the 2nd choice ahead of Sanchez?
Edit: I see the post from @UTAretro which explains everything.
Edit: I see the post from @UTAretro which explains everything.
When you say "us", who exactly are you referring to??
Call it entitlement or arrogance, but absolutely no way we should be considering any non starter from fecking Brighton. I don't care why he's not starting. What has happened to this club?
Can't see him improving us in anyway, we'll have to re-invest again when the experiment fails.
He’s quite obviously talking about Manchester United. “We” and “us” are quite common words to use when talking about the football club you support.
I thought you lot are satisfied with Kepa.
It does not say much for our club ambition if we were to settle for Brighton 3rd choice keeper as our main keeper, that mentality will not get us anywhere near challenging for anything noteworthy next season
They just bought his replacement for 20m. Make it 10m or something.
For that sort of price Bento from Brazil would be a better buy.
I agree Onana is more nailed on option for us, but if we somehow miraculously fail to sign him, Sanchez wouldn't be as bad an option as some posters are making it.
Why I can see a room for Sanchez here and where he can actually improve us in general, comparing him with DDG, is the fact he excelled at things that are highlighted as a weakness for his compatriot:
- General style - He is level above DDG in terms of his self-confidence, aggressiveness and composure. His aggressive and proactive style can lead to occasional errors, just like with Onana, but generally speaking the benefits for the team exceeds those errors by far.
- Dealing with crosses - There is no surprise to say that someone at 6′ 6″ is very good at commanding his area and claiming crosses, but his positioning and technique to execute is remarkable. He is comfortable with going for the high balls well away from his line, what is night and day difference compared to DDG, and his timing to go for it at the very highest point maximise his aerial dominance and ability.
- Positioning - Not just with his crosses, his positioning when he is anticipating shots is IMO better than DDG's. For someone of his size, he is very quick with his footwork which helps him be properly positioned and change direction if necessary which make his saves mostly look like routine ones in contrast to DDG who is not so good at this and that requires much more effort to stop shots. That's why his saves look more difficult like “Hollywood ones”. Is Sanchez truly better at shot stopping ? Arguably. But does he make his life easier with his positioning and quick feet ? Definitely.
- Distribution - He was an active part in Brighton’s build up and with his short passing is good, but he can be overly composed sometimes which can lead to mistakes. But what I love with his distribution are medium and long range passess. He has unique technique, vision and, most importantly, pace on the ball to execute those kinds of passes and turn it into a goal creating chance for his team. That immediately sends a warning to opposition who will think twice about applying high press on us or dropping deep to prevent those situations - totally in contrast to what we see when we had DDG as a goalkeeper.
Thing is, when it comes to that poster specifically, the only person they really support is Poch and it's borderline obsessive. It's bizzare. So I was being facetious
No way near good enough. We need to target the best available. Onana, Costa. Even that lad from French football that has great numbers would be a more interesting option. But that would require some actual scouting by us.
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