Nah he's good his problem is simply he can't fecking stay fit.
Scott McTominay | Transfer discussion not performance discussion
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If you're hiding from the ball you'll never be the worst player on the pitch. Fred throws himself about so everything he does good and bad gets noticed, that's why people think he's worse.
JWP is miles better so it’s a no brainier, his set pieces alone can win you games when you didn’t deserve a point.
McTominay is literally a fraud and offers nothing to a game of football, he just looks like a good player. It’s like when people think someone is good at their job and reliable because they’re tall, posh, white, and tuck their button up into their jeans.
Looks like West Ham are getting closer to a deal for Ward-Prowse. I don't see them buying 2 more midfielders, would this be the end of a McT sale this summer? Not many other clubs seem interested.
It is definitely the other way around. Paqueta was rated very highly whilst when he went to Milan. Still shocking that City would pay 70m for him nonetheless.
True but what difference does it make. No matter what region of the table you’re fighting, a club just can’t rely on him
ah cheers, thought there were some rules about youth that counted for more spending allowance when selling
Yeah that's true. No club would touch him with a barge pole. Maybe on a free though.
Ffs moyes just buy Maguire and Scotty. Stop buying other players, stop acting like you have the luxury of choice, you won Europa Conference League not CL!! sign those two and be done with it.
Big mistake not selling him. We seem insistent to have the biggest collection of midfielders who are weak on the ball in deeper areas.
I like Scot he’s a good attitude but he’s not good enough. He’s not a kid anymore and needs consistent game time. He is also a reminder of the poor standards we had at the club. Under Ole a midfield of him and Fred, no creativity, Pogba injured, a sub of the Pereira. Thankfully Bruno came in, we had no creativity. I feel if Maguire, fred and McTominay go then it truly is the end of a really really bad era.
How much would he be worth after another season on the bench?
The news was broken by a very reliable journalist for Brazilian players apparently so romano just parroting.
If this goes through them we were right to hold out for more because they will be desperate and have plenty of money.
Don’t be complaining when Casemiro is unavaliable and McTominay is starting then.
Is that what you want? Cos that’s what’ll happen.
Please no
No, it's just that their cost is effectively 0, whereas most purchased players still have some "value" from the inital transfer still to be amoritised. For Maguire it's ~25m if I recall correctly, but someone like Martial it'd also be near zero cause he's already way past his first contract so his transfer fee on the books is fully paid out.
Think United will accept 35M+5M. Which is a fair valuation. Really hope WHU have not pulled out of this one.
This would be great news for us, but £70M for Paqueta sounds kind of bizarre, so Ill believe it when I see it.
Using the same logic as everyone : Well if Rice is 105 and McTominay is 45 then a creative Brazil international and Euro cup winner is 70... at the very least.
If we're getting rid of Fred and VDB - given the amount of games we'll likely have this season - I wouldn't mind keeping hold of McT. Not the best but certainly not the worst and can cover a few roles across the midfield.
It has zero impact for us if JWP goes through. Can't see WH spending 40m on another CM when they will have to buy a AM.
Man City were considering Paqueta last year.
if McTominay is willing to join West Ham, we'll end up signing him.
if McTominay is willing to join West Ham, we'll end up signing him.
What are your thoughts on that?
I'm okay with it. I think we'll sign about four for midfield by the end of the window - Alvarez should be through today.
Without sounding condescending I hope but I think he'd be spot on for you! He is great at driving forward and is a physical presence. Hes a decent passer of the ball.
Getting away from United will make people see he is actually a decent midfielder.
A lot less. He’s our biggest outgoing asset we have right now. The £35-40m we can/are commanding for him is easily the most we’ll get for a single sale this summer.
Both the club and a large collection of fans think that players are Pokemons that we must collect and that we should have a squad of 30+ players, with 10+ homegrown players. Just in case something happens. Screw the quality, we just need to have bodies there.
This sell was a no brainer. Sell a player that we do not need at all, sign with a portion of that money Amrabat whom we really need, slightly improving the cash flow while doing wonders for FFP. If West Ham really now go for someone else, we are stuck with a player who will start 6 matches next season, and we won’t be able to sell for even 20m next summer.
And don’t let me started about Maguire. It is a competition in stupidity between West Ham and Man United, with West Ham offering more money than they should, and United somehow rejecting the bid.
Everyone knows they have £110m plus probably another £50m in European champions prize money to spend. They need to cut the crap and bid 50m for McT and 40m for Maguire.
Living up to your tagline I see. And Maguire would be great for West ham. He was part of a good Leicester team as well. It's just that he isn't suited to high line pressing football we want to play and has suffered a loss in form.
Yeah. By all means squeeze as much as you can get for him but if 30/35m is the most we can get, we should take it.
We played very deep last season and he was shit. He was even worse the season before that. And in the first two seasons, he had half a season when he was great, with the other 1.5 seasons being decent.
But most importantly, he is 30. No CB in the history of the game has been sold for over 30m. Serial winner Raphael Varane, who is better than Maguire can ever dream to be, was sold for 34m just two years back. 30m is incredibly generous, and Moyes might be the only manager in the league who is interested to spend that money in essentially poor men’s Gary Cahill.
McT is brilliant at protecting the back 4 in a team that is parking the bus - because he wins so many headers. He would do really well at West Ham
Soton wont sell JWP for £30 million, Rice cost £100m, Havertz cost £65`m, City value Paqueta at at least £70 m - with these prices, why wouldn't McTominay be worth £40 m ?
Because he's terrible at football. This really isn't a difficult question.
If they are selling Paqueta then they will be in for two midfielders.
Mctominay is the most natural replacement for Rice in terms of style of play, he may not be as calm or as good on the ball in terms of calmness and passing ability but the way he dispossesses opposing players and can drive the ball forward is very similar to Rice.
Mctominay is easily worth 40m, a midfield 3 of Alvarez/Mctominay/Paqueta is a very good midfield and comparable to the Fred/Mctominay/Bruno midfield that finished 2nd in the league (Mctominays best season for us).
Would be a worry for West Ham if they lose Paqueta though...
Mctominay is easily worth 40m, a midfield 3 of Alvarez/Mctominay/Paqueta is a very good midfield and comparable to the Fred/Mctominay/Bruno midfield that finished 2nd in the league (Mctominays best season for us).
Would be a worry for West Ham if they lose Paqueta though...
Even if for a moment we assume that being great at headers is enough to claim that a player is brilliant at protecting the back 4, McTominay is not great at winning headers. His aerial duel win rate last season was 59.6%, his all time EPL aerial win rate is 60.6%. We played as deep as you can get during these years.
For comparison, Casemiro who is genuinely great at protecting the back 4, has a win rate of 65% while still adopting to the league.
Well sources are saying Maguire is done for around 30M, which is great for United. If we can sell McT for 35-40M, that would be really good business for United. Come on, lets get this over the line.
Thank god I'm not in the negotiation team, I would have folded at 50M for both.
Thank god I'm not in the negotiation team, I would have folded at 50M for both.
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He really, really isn't.
He puts the back four under immense pressure because he constantly hides and never shows for the ball meaning riskier play outs needed.
Yep. Don't know what games they are watching. Never makes himself available for a pass. Scared of the ball.
Some absolute bedwetters here. Just cos you want rid of an unglamorous player doesn’t mean we should give him away. Both McTom and Maguire would be excellent players for teams outside, or battling to break into the Top 6 - A position United have never fallen below even at the height of our “crisis” btw. Both of these players finished 3rd twice and 2nd, and we aren’t selling them to clubs aiming that high…
Just because they’ve been ‘flops’ for Man United, whose unreasonably large profile makes anyone into a joke if they don’t succeed (making it consequentially much harder to sell than if they’d performed to exactly the same standard under less of a microscope, or at the kind of club who’d actually benefit from their signings) doesn’t mean we should just flog them for peanuts at the first chance we get. Not every clubs ambition is to win the league. Or is a laughing stock when they just miss out on top 4. McTominey is absolutely worth £40m to a club fighting for a top half finish, and in a world where Rice is worth £100m, probably more. We should absolutely hold out for his worth
Just because they’ve been ‘flops’ for Man United, whose unreasonably large profile makes anyone into a joke if they don’t succeed (making it consequentially much harder to sell than if they’d performed to exactly the same standard under less of a microscope, or at the kind of club who’d actually benefit from their signings) doesn’t mean we should just flog them for peanuts at the first chance we get. Not every clubs ambition is to win the league. Or is a laughing stock when they just miss out on top 4. McTominey is absolutely worth £40m to a club fighting for a top half finish, and in a world where Rice is worth £100m, probably more. We should absolutely hold out for his worth
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