What an incredibly thick statement.
Maguire | he stays!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Are you ok ?And people here were saying we shouldn’t sell Maguire and Mctominay for anything less than 70m. Enjoy them now. You all deserve it.
Money over his career.
This is bad for everyone involved. Maguire won't play, his career stalls and he won't be playing for England again.
If he ever does play for us, the fans will hate him even more than they already do.
This is bad for everyone involved. Maguire won't play, his career stalls and he won't be playing for England again.
If he ever does play for us, the fans will hate him even more than they already do.
Maguire isn't going to play anyway, so that's not exactly a punishment.
I dont see this.
PSG put Mbappe Neymar Verrati etc in a group of player they didnt want to stay to train separately. ETH had Maguire on the bench yesterday.
This is pandering bullshit.
Hope he never makes the bench again!
It doesn't, not only because he would make more money with the second option but if reports are correct United were willing to give him a severance package but not the 7m he expects. Currently he is heading toward less guaranteed money.
I thought that was more of a 'I'll put you on the bench and not even bother bringing you on despite warming up' thing. Outside of a major injury I can't see him playing again.
Future earnings are promised and the club now want to break the agreed contract to sell him on elsewhere. Therefore he is perfectly within his rights to negotiate terms to that contract being broken so he can go to another club. He has every right to expect Man Utd to pay him for it.
Debatable. The talk out of the club basically has McTominay and Maguire in the same position - happy to keep them but if a good bid comes in we'll accept. If we take the Maguire talk as just being PR and trying to help push the price up for a player that we actually do want to sell and upgrade, then I'd say the exact same goes for Scott. The only real difference is that Maguire obviously has a higher profile so there's a lot more talk about him in the media.
Alternatively maybe ETH and the club actually are happy to keep both of them, in which case they'll be fairly happy with this news about the West Ham deal falling through (as they would have been a few weeks ago when the same happened with Scott).
This would be pretty annoying, especially if it hampered the rest of our business.
Saw this coming he will still be here until deadline day perhaps a loan deal with view to buy from Aston Villa.
So far, Harry may think and hope (and not without reason) that he may get say 15-20 appearances this season, including 7-10 starts (in all competitions). If another CB comes, then he won’t have reasons to hope for it
Bbbboooo.
Is there some sort of competition going on here for who can write the dumbest post or something?
Maguire is only one or two injuries (not guaranteed but could happen) away getting more minutes by default, if no new defender is added to the team.
The team isn't so deep he's actual surplus.
Those future earnings are based on him being Manchester United Captain and defensive leader.
He isn;t that any more, because he has been utterly hopeless. That is on him, and no one else.
You can't just lump them together like that. They're different players and different people.
The club clearly want to sell Maguire. There's no evidence of the same for Scott. McTominay played yesterday.
What you just said makes no sense. Again, future earnings are contingent on you still being employed by the club - the moment you're bought out of that contract, it doesn't apply.
United isn't breaking the agreed contract, they are simply selling the player. Maguire has options regarding this though.
He can, 1. - sit his current contract out and keep getting the wages agreed with United or 2. accept to move on - negotiate his wages with West Ham, which are likely to be less that what he's currently on, but the perceived benefits are being a starter again/keeping his England place. It's up to him what he values most.
I think United shouldn't have to give Maguire a pay-off since he's the one who wants the move to get more playing time and keep his England spot.
If he stays - EtH has made it clear that he's happy to have him fight for a place. So I don't see why we need to pay him off
If he stays - EtH has made it clear that he's happy to have him fight for a place. So I don't see why we need to pay him off
West Ham fans rejoicing. Gutted about this.
If he is going to play, it's not punishment either.
He isn't the one pushing for a move, it's the club that is trying to convince him to move.
Are you discounting future cash flows?
And yes, if reports are correct and a severance package is included it tilts things towards the latter option.
Okay Mr T op R edIs there some sort of competition going on here for who can write the dumbest post or something?
Thought this was a representative reaction of most United fans, especially from someone who's usually calm unlike Goldbridge.
Remove him from the list of players for the league and he will get a reality check in the reserves. Just what is needed to let him go.
It is, but does his contract state that? Because that's what matters here. Base salary 100k, +30k for being captain, +60k for being defensive first choice. It maybe should say that, but I think it probably does not for fairly obvious reasons.
We will see Shaw at CB before we see Maguire get a run of games again.
it’s not a great position to be in that he needs everyone bar Lindelof to get injured at the same time to get a game.
What do you mean by discount future cash flows?
@AneRu Still think we should have taken a short term funding to get Kim and pack Maguire later? Stick to what you know mate. Leave the Financials to professionals.
@croadyman was the other one who criticized the club for not going for Kim because apparently we aren't serious enough . We can always sell Maguire later, right.
right @edcunited1878 ?
@croadyman was the other one who criticized the club for not going for Kim because apparently we aren't serious enough . We can always sell Maguire later, right.
right @edcunited1878 ?
"Smithers, are they booing me?"
"Uh no, they're saying boo-urns. Boo-urns!"
"Uh no, they're saying boo-urns. Boo-urns!"
Probably time to extend his contract so he doesn't leave on a free
Just send him to the reserves and promote an Academy player yo take his locker space with the first team.
Troll from maguire to United fans
You have to wonder what kind of stupid contract he was signed up on if he is prepared to sit it out even despite not playing. Is it not standard procedure to incentivise these contracts so you get bonuses for starting and so on?
Even so, a pay off that significant feels excessive and Maguire's a bit of a prick for insisting on it. I'm sure it's not going to be in lieu of a signing on bonus from West Ham, and he needs the game time to stand a chance of reviving his England career. There has to be some sacrifice on his part. I also don't think Ten Hag should be leaving the door open for him to stay once the fee has been agreed, he should be pushing him towards the exit door and I was confused as to why Maguire was on the bench for us last night.
Even so, a pay off that significant feels excessive and Maguire's a bit of a prick for insisting on it. I'm sure it's not going to be in lieu of a signing on bonus from West Ham, and he needs the game time to stand a chance of reviving his England career. There has to be some sacrifice on his part. I also don't think Ten Hag should be leaving the door open for him to stay once the fee has been agreed, he should be pushing him towards the exit door and I was confused as to why Maguire was on the bench for us last night.
He's keeping his place in the England squad. He may not start, but Stones gets injured often, Mings is out, Tomori isn't liked by Southgate for some reason, White is unproven with the Euros next year... And Maguire has started most games for England until now. He's on that plane next year whatever happens, so that's not a sword we can hold over him.
Another reason to hate Southgate if you're so inclined
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Of course. Just like he has every right to stink up the club while standing in the way and simultaneously bleeding it dry. He’ll be hated for it by millions, but he certainly has the right. Come to think of it, Maguire is in line to become part of the Glazer family if this continues!