Go for a walkMan, this season is shaping up to be a shocker at the moment.
Are you ok ?And people here were saying we shouldn’t sell Maguire and Mctominay for anything less than 70m . Enjoy them now. You all deserve it.
Maguire isn't going to play anyway, so that's not exactly a punishment.He's not arguing against Maguire having the right to let his contract run. What he's saying is that future earnings are contingent on you still being employed by the club that's selling you thus that money isn't "owed" to Maguire. He's being bought out of that contract. United shouldn't have to pay him for it.
But yes, Maguire has the right to sit out his contract, just like United now has the right to not include him in match day squads, etc.
I dont see this.I think a lot are missing the point. It's not the current leadership that paid huge money or wages for him, and the current manager doesn't want him. This hanging around for more money, sure he's entitled to do so but this isn't any of the current leadership or managers fault. He's absolutely not going to get any sympathy from anyone for this and I can see ETH holding a grudge if he doesn't move. Unbelievable, genuinely thought he'd care more about his career to move but apparently not.
Hope he never makes the bench again!Hope he rots on the bench and loses his England spot
It doesn't, not only because he would make more money with the second option but if reports are correct United were willing to give him a severance package but not the 7m he expects. Currently he is heading toward less guaranteed money.Money is more valuable today than tomorrow. Given inflation and opportunity cost and what not.
190k for 2 years and 50k for 3 years (conservative figure) beats 100k for 4 years and 50k for 1 year.
Oh, and there's always Saudi!
I thought that was more of a 'I'll put you on the bench and not even bother bringing you on despite warming up' thing. Outside of a major injury I can't see him playing again.I dont see this.
PSG put Mbappe Neymar Verrati etc in a group of player they didnt want to stay to train separately. ETH had Maguire on the bench yesterday.
Future earnings are promised and the club now want to break the agreed contract to sell him on elsewhere. Therefore he is perfectly within his rights to negotiate terms to that contract being broken so he can go to another club. He has every right to expect Man Utd to pay him for it.He's not arguing against Maguire having the right to let his contract run. What he's saying is that future earnings are contingent on you still being employed by the club that's selling you thus that money isn't "owed" to Maguire. He's being bought out of that contract. United shouldn't have to pay him for it.
But yes, Maguire has the right to sit out his contract, just like United now has the right to not include him in match day squads, etc.
Debatable. The talk out of the club basically has McTominay and Maguire in the same position - happy to keep them but if a good bid comes in we'll accept. If we take the Maguire talk as just being PR and trying to help push the price up for a player that we actually do want to sell and upgrade, then I'd say the exact same goes for Scott. The only real difference is that Maguire obviously has a higher profile so there's a lot more talk about him in the media.McTominay is still in the manager's thinking.
If it's "anybody" dependent, it'll be VdB.
So far, Harry may think and hope (and not without reason) that he may get say 15-20 appearances this season, including 7-10 starts (in all competitions). If another CB comes, then he won’t have reasons to hope for itI agree with you but shouldn’t he have already taken the hint by now? I mean Shaw starts ahead of him at CB in important games.
Man, this season is shaping up to be a shocker at the moment.
And fans were annoyed when we booed the fecker.
He's a parasite. Boo him until he fecks off with the Glazers.
Player version of Glazers. Most dislikeable player in the squad for me.
He deserves a good boo.
From Cantona and Keane to this guy. Puke!
Is there some sort of competition going on here for who can write the dumbest post or something?Greedy bellend
Maguire is only one or two injuries (not guaranteed but could happen) away getting more minutes by default, if no new defender is added to the team.Maguire isn't going to play anyway, so that's not exactly a punishment.
Those future earnings are based on him being Manchester United Captain and defensive leader.Future earnings are promised and the club now want to break the agreed contract to sell him on elsewhere. Therefore he is perfectly within his rights to negotiate terms to that contract being broken so he can go to another club. He has every right to expect Man Utd to pay him for it.
You can't just lump them together like that. They're different players and different people.Debatable. The talk out of the club basically has McTominay and Maguire in the same position - happy to keep them but if a good bid comes in we'll accept. If we take the Maguire talk as just being PR and trying to help push the price up for a player that we actually do want to sell and upgrade, then I'd say the exact same goes for Scott. The only real difference is that Maguire obviously has a higher profile so there's a lot more talk about him in the media.
Alternatively maybe ETH and the club actually are happy to keep both of them, in which case they'll be fairly happy with this news about the West Ham deal falling through (as they would have been a few weeks ago when the same happened with Scott).
What you just said makes no sense. Again, future earnings are contingent on you still being employed by the club - the moment you're bought out of that contract, it doesn't apply.Future earnings are promised and the club now want to break the agreed contract to sell him on elsewhere. Therefore he is perfectly within his rights to negotiate terms to that contract being broken so he can go to another club. He has every right to expect Man Utd to pay him for it.
If he is going to play, it's not punishment either.Maguire is only one or two injuries (not guaranteed but could happen) away getting more minutes by default, if no new defender is added to the team.
The team isn't so deep he's actual surplus.
He isn't the one pushing for a move, it's the club that is trying to convince him to move.I think United shouldn't have to give Maguire a pay-off since he's the one who wants the move to get more playing time and keep his England spot.
If he stays - EtH has made it clear that he's happy to have him fight for a place. So I don't see why we need to pay him off
Are you discounting future cash flows?It doesn't, not only because he would make more money with the second option but if reports are correct United were willing to give him a severance package but not the 7m he expects. Currently he is heading toward less guaranteed money.
Okay Mr T op R edIs there some sort of competition going on here for who can write the dumbest post or something?
It is, but does his contract state that? Because that's what matters here. Base salary 100k, +30k for being captain, +60k for being defensive first choice. It maybe should say that, but I think it probably does not for fairly obvious reasons.Those future earnings are based on him being Manchester United Captain and defensive leader.
He isn;t that any more, because he has been utterly hopeless. That is on him, and no one else.
We will see Shaw at CB before we see Maguire get a run of games again.Maguire is only one or two injuries (not guaranteed but could happen) away getting more minutes by default, if no new defender is added to the team.
The team isn't so deep he's actual surplus.
What do you mean by discount future cash flows?Are you discounting future cash flows?
And yes, if reports are correct and a severance package is included it tilts things towards the latter option.
He's keeping his place in the England squad. He may not start, but Stones gets injured often, Mings is out, Tomori isn't liked by Southgate for some reason, White is unproven with the Euros next year... And Maguire has started most games for England until now. He's on that plane next year whatever happens, so that's not a sword we can hold over him.What you just said makes no sense. Again, future earnings are contingent on you still being employed by the club - the moment you're bought out of that contract, it doesn't apply.
United isn't breaking the agreed contract, they are simply selling the player. Maguire has options regarding this though.
He can, 1. - sit his current contract out and keep getting the wages agreed with United or 2. accept to move on - negotiate his wages with West Ham, which are likely to be less that what he's currently on, but the perceived benefits are being a starter again/keeping his England place. It's up to him what he values most.
Of course. Just like he has every right to stink up the club while standing in the way and simultaneously bleeding it dry. He’ll be hated for it by millions, but he certainly has the right. Come to think of it, Maguire is in line to become part of the Glazer family if this continues!Future earnings are promised and the club now want to break the agreed contract to sell him on elsewhere. Therefore he is perfectly within his rights to negotiate terms to that contract being broken so he can go to another club. He has every right to expect Man Utd to pay him for it.