Maguire | he stays!

[Bertie Wooster]

It’s now owed to him. He’s been paid what he’s owed in full

Yeah, that's the bit that's confusing me over all this.

I've seen comparisons to the De Jong situation, but that was over deferred wages when Barcelona restructured the deal mid-contract. That's an unusual scenario. This is the run of the mill situation where a player is just being sold before the end of the contract but has received all wages up until then.

If compensation of millions is due to Maguire based on the wages for the rest of his contract, does that mean in situations where the player is the one pushing for the move then they have to compensate the club for millions of the transfer fee for 'breaking' the contract mid way through?

 

[December_16]

Could we tear up his contract for gross misconduct? Was he ever prosecuted for what happened?

Let’s just say we did, then we wouldn’t get a fee for selling him. Pretty basic, really.

 

[AltiUn]

Imagine being stripped of captaincy, losing your place in the starting 11 and still refusing to leave. Shows how big of a mistake it was making him captain in the first place. Awful player with an ego far beyond his own capabilities.

 

[Kinsella]

Is there some sort of competition going on here for who can write the dumbest post or something?

O Captain! My Captain!?

 

[IrishMcD]

Scarier thing is we’re doing the same thing under the current leadership. Just won’t realise it for a few years

A lot of us do! Mount signing seems to have woken quite a lot of people up though. We are absolutely abysmal at dealing with the blatantly obvious issues in the squad. Wouldn’t be surprised to see us go out and buy a left winger before the close of window. Casemiros legs will be gone by Xmas with no help in CM and no back up options.
Mount will be Ten Hags Maguire. Same way a lot of us saw he was no where near good enough for the club before Ole decided he was going to be our new captain fantastic.

 

[Joosep_K]

If he demands more money, it just shows that he's more interested in money than playtime or his career. He obviously doesn't care about the club and is acting like a spoiled child, taking a player's spot that could have been given to someone young and ambitious.

 

[Giggsy13]

Imagine being stripped of captaincy, losing your place in the starting 11 and still refusing to leave. Shows how big of a mistake it was making him captain in the first place. Awful player with an ego far beyond his own capabilities.

Maguire has been fully unmasked and is showing his true colours. If we acted like a proper big club, we’d have his replacement in already and ten Hag would stop the bullshit in the media of demanding Maguire fight for his place.

 

[Josep Dowling]

This is where I don't understand the finance people at United. Surely selling a player for £23m (factoring in Maguire's payout) is better than keeping a player on £200k+ per week, who will now sit out his contract on the bench. That's £20.8m just on gross wages and doesn't even factor in employer's NI and pension.

This is before you consider the fact he isn't good enough for United and the manager doesn't want him. Why keep a player who is happy to sit on the bench and club cannot even rely on him when required?

We never learn any lessons. The zoom in of Maguire and Henderson chatting to each other at half time speaks volumes. Neither should be near the club any more and both have value.

 

[RedRonaldo]

He's not arguing against Maguire having the right to let his contract run. What he's saying is that future earnings are contingent on you still being employed by the club that's selling you thus that money isn't "owed" to Maguire. He's being bought out of that contract. United shouldn't have to pay him for it.

But yes, Maguire has the right to sit out his contract, just like United now has the right to not include him in match day squads, etc.

And fans have the right to boo him on the pitch too… not that I’d agree, but that’s the way it is.

 

[buckooo1978]

It’s not owed to him. He’s been paid what he’s owed in full

so what's the issue

are West Ham matching his wage for United?

 

[macheda14]

so what's the issue

are West Ham matching his wage for United?

He wants to be paid off for the drop in wages.

 

[justboy68]

It will be sorted out in the end. Just some posturing and negotiation probably being handled by his agent and without much input from Harry himself.

 

[swissgenius]

How can anyone rationalise paying him the remainder of his contract? You get paid the entirity of a contract when you see out the entire contract by being an employee and doing your job for the full length of it. If we sell him then he's no longer an employee and he'll have already have been paid what he's owed by United up until that point of leaving. Paying him off means he'll get paid wages he's not earned here on top of additional wages he'll be earning at his new club. It's pure fecking greed. If he wants to stay and be a backup player fine. If he wants to leave then he should accept a wage decrease befitting of his status and value to his new employer. He'll still be richer than 99% of the population ffs

No, we're not paying him additional to his WH wages, it's about the difference. The problem is we can't just move him without his permission. And he's fully right to demand the salary of his contract.
It seems greedy and we have every right to boo him, but it's not his fault the club made him bigger than he is.

 

[Alemar]

are West Ham matching his wage for United?

But the privilege also costs some sacrifices. For Maguire, chance to play in a starting XI of an EPL club (and have a shot on England squad) is a privilege.

He may stay here in reserves, but he won’t be offered any contract in 2 years and will have to retire early.

 

[Josep Dowling]

Maguire has been fully unmasked and is showing his true colours. If we acted like a proper big club, we’d have his replacement in already and ten Hag would stop the bullshit in the media of demanding Maguire fight for his place.

He has to significantly drop his salary to leave and also drop down in size of club. What would you do in his situation?

The only person to blame is Woodward giving average players way above average salaries. None of them want to leave for that reason.

 

[duffer]

Get that money Harold. Better in your pocket than the Glaziers.

 

[arnoldS]

He has to significantly drop his salary to leave and also drop down in size of club. What would you do in his situation?

The only person to blame is Woodward giving average players way above average salaries. None of them want to leave for that reason.

Simply go if I'm not wanted? What is the point in staying?

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Is it any wonder we had a collapse under Ole when Maguire and Ronaldo were the two main leaders in the team?

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Giving Maguire his payoff is the lesser evil in the grand scheme of things

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Get that money Harold. Better in your pocket than the Glaziers.

I doubt we are planning to spend £7m replacing the windows at Old Trafford. They won't even fix the roof.

 

[Josep Dowling]

Simply go if I'm not wanted? What is the point in staying?

As if. The amount his salary will drop will be like £50,000 plus a week and shifting his family to another part of the country. He's originally from Sheffield so would be further away from his roots. It's not as easy as people think.

And as for the 'hatred' towards him and his family that's all online nonsense. I can't imagine he has too many incidence in real life. He doesn't even manage his social media so probably blind to all the hatred thrown towards him.

 

[Borussia Teeth]

I don't think he should dropped to the reserves. Keep the current status quo: 3rd choice rcb, 4th choice lcb. He's the one risking his England chances for his money (his right to choose of course).

I knew his wages would be a problem getting him sold to a mid table club. Where are all the "he's worth £30-40m" people?

 

[duffer]

I doubt we are planning to spend £7m replacing the windows at Old Trafford. They won't even fix the roof.

You're right but why would Maguire (or anyone) be inclined to help them out.

 

[IamBurnsey]

It is maddening how much he was signed for and how he mostly performed, now he is doing this nonsense, united really should win some kind of award to how bad some of our signings have went over the years .

 

[MackRobinson]

Give him his money. Not his fault the club agreed to that shitty contract.

 

[JustCoco]

It's actually being reported as high as £15 million.

Feck him. This decision is an admittance that he doesn't care about getting dropped for England, blasé attitude about wanting to actually get game time (because he won't be getting it if he stays) and wants to blackmail the club for money be knows would be invested to make an improvement to the team (shows a complete disdain about the club and it's journey for success.)

So he's lied about wanting to play, lied about respect and wanting to represent England, lied about his respect and love for the club.

He's a scab and deserves no respect from anyone.

 

[Tibs]

This guy was Ronaldo's captain? No wonder Ronnie thought feck this

 

[OverratedOpinion]

You're right but why would Maguire (or anyone) be inclined to help them out.

Well my joke crashed and burned.

 

[JB7]

Simply go if I'm not wanted? What is the point in staying?

Ah ok, in that case I've spoke with your boss. Apparently they don't like you. But not to worry, I've found you a new job, I'm sure you'll like it more but you'll take home 50% less money and you need to move 200 miles away. I'm sure you'll jump at the chance to move though, right?

 

[Adisa]

He has every right to demand his money. I would do the same.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Absolute cancer. I hate this cnut.

 

[BootsyCollins]

I was all against booing him. He tried his best.

Now he is actively making the club in a worse situation. I dont blame him for not wanting less money, but the consequences is him being booed and more disliked, and thats fair now imo.

 

[BootsyCollins]

He has every right to demand his money. I would do the same.

Yes agree, but the fans has now all the right to show their dissatisfaction with him.

 

[bosnian_red]

He's entitled to whatever his contract says or just to stay at the club even if the club doesn't want him. Whether that's because of money or because he doesn't want to relocate his family is a different matter... Shite for us, but whatever. He obviously doesn't care about his footballing career anymore

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Reading the Guardian article, I still think this gets done.

United will take the £25m and give the remaining £5m to Maguire.

So long, good luck?

I don't recall saying good luck.

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

It's actually being reported as high as £15 million.

Feck him. This decision is an admittance that he doesn't care about getting dropped for England, blasé attitude about wanting to actually get game time (because he won't be getting it if he stays) and wants to blackmail the club for money be knows would be invested to make an improvement to the team (shows a complete disdain about the club and it's journey for success.)

So he's lied about wanting to play, lied about respect and wanting to represent England, lied about his respect and love for the club.

He's a scab and deserves no respect from anyone.

We have found a perfect and new nickname for Maguire now..

 

[Duafc]

It's actually being reported as high as £15 million.

Feck him. This decision is an admittance that he doesn't care about getting dropped for England, blasé attitude about wanting to actually get game time (because he won't be getting it if he stays) and wants to blackmail the club for money be knows would be invested to make an improvement to the team (shows a complete disdain about the club and it's journey for success.)

So he's lied about wanting to play, lied about respect and wanting to represent England, lied about his respect and love for the club.

He's a scab and deserves no respect from anyone.

Absolutely awful post.

He's an employee. You sound like a child.

 

[strongwalker]

he is asking 7 Mio for leaving?

Reminds me of that old Marx Brothers routine:


Spaulding: This is better than exploring! What do you fellows get an hour?

Ravelli: Oh, for playing we getta ten dollars an hour.

Spaulding: I see...What do you get for not playing?

Ravelli: Twelve dollars an hour.

Spaulding: Well, clip me off a piece of that.

Ravelli: Now, for rehearsing we make special rate. Thatsa fifteen dollars an hour.

Spaulding: That's for rehearsing?

Ravelli: Thatsa for rehearsing.

Spaulding: And what do you get for not rehearsing?

Ravelli: You couldn't afford it...Heh...you see, if we don't rehearse, we don't play...And, if we don't play...That runs into money.

 

[justsomebloke]

At the end of the day it's money he is entitled to as he signed a contract, this is on the football club and it's ridiculous negotiations at the time. It doesn't appear to be the case that he's demanding the complete difference between one salary and the other paid up, which he would also be entitled to do. I don't really get why people think footballers should be happy to take a real-terms near 50% wage cut just on a whim; it's a lot of money to just give up.

And I really don't get why people don't understand that this is generally the cost of moving from a big club to a smaller club, which you as a player sometimes need to do because it's better for your career than sitting on the bench at a big club with "failure" virtually branded into your forehead. The player is perfectly entitled to prioritise the money and stay, but then there's a career and reputation cost to be paid. If he can persuade the selling club to take some of the sting out of it by making up some of the difference then he's fortunate, but it's not like this is something that can be expected. It is something that happens only exceptionally.

 

[Sir Chapman]

I am still optimistic, he will leave anytime soon. Especially after todays ETH interview where he says that “… if he’s not ready to fight he needs to go”, I think he’s losing patience with this dragging on.

We must find a solution for all parties, even if this means we’ll need to compensate him with a certain amount. Actually, I think this would be the best solution as we lose someone earning 200k per week, and can get immediately Pavard.