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He played 2 games. And was good in his first match. So very hard to compare.William Prunier made Maguire look like prime Booby Moore
He played 2 games. And was good in his first match. So very hard to compare.William Prunier made Maguire look like prime Booby Moore
Maybe he is happy with the situation he is in, and maybe it's not embarrassing for him?And before anyone says anything, I have left a position for less money when I wasn't happy with the conditions.
"City wanted him"Fee - he didn't decide it.
Captaincy - he didn't decide it.
Regular starter - you get the idea...
He's a very limited player who was asked to do things way beyond his ability here. It's like you all have forgotten that City wanted him as well. He'd have been a useful cog in Pep's machine. We just happened to have an inept manager in Ole.
Are you saying they also didn't want Sanchez? Or Ronaldo?"City wanted him"
"City wanted Fred"
Hmm...
You are maybe right, but what are the chances that becoming a meme, losing your place in the team, losing the captaincy, being overlooked for a left back in your position, being mocked by football fans in general but especially your own fans, and even being referenced mockingly in the parliament of a foreign country on a different continent is not embarrassing?Maybe he is happy with the situation he is in, and maybe it's not embarrassing for him?
You're right, we shouldn't assume that money is the be all and end all for everyone, we equally shouldn't assume that conditions for happiness are the same for everyone.
That doesn't really matter. Take Sanchez for example. Obviously quality footballer who was great for Arsenal. For us - terrible buy.Fee - he didn't decide it.
Captaincy - he didn't decide it.
Regular starter - you get the idea...
I've moved to a much smaller organization without any increase in compensation because it was a role I'd wanted to do. I've also been in a situation where I was in a shitty role but the money was excellent, so I hung around in spite of being frustrated. I guess it's a question of what you value more at that point in your career.Prunier must be the original meme footballer.
I don't understand either side in this Maguire debacle to be honest. He's not wanted by the club and he must know that, so why you'd suffer the embarrassment of the situation is beyond me, I'd have been looking to do a deal on the £7m. The club should also be embarrassed, they don't want him and need reinforcements for the squad, they too should have been looking to do a deal. It'll probably turn out one side was looking to do a deal and the other side was behaving like a child.
And before anyone says anything, I have left a position for less money when I wasn't happy with the conditions. There are always other opportunities to maximise your earnings when you're doing well and in a better position. Different economies of scale, but ultimately the same effect on my bottom line earnings.
We're not in his shorts. Maybe he's mostly oblivious (or doesn't care ) about outside noise ? Certainly he took a dive in the hierarchy and was stripped of the armband. But he did a job here for two seasons more or less, perhaps he could still at least so far he's concerned.You are maybe right, but what are the chances that becoming a meme, losing your place in the team, losing the captaincy, being overlooked for a left back in your position, being mocked by football fans in general but especially your own fans, and even being referenced mockingly in the parliament of a foreign country on a different continent is not embarrassing?
If he has to forfeit payment in order to play elsewhere, he is returning money owed by the clubs balance sheet for the upcoming contract years.Why would Maguire need to pay United? You’ll need to explain that.
At the point Maguire transfers to a new club, he is no longer employed by United. As per the terms of his contract, he is no longer owed any future payments since he has agreed to no longer fulfil his contractual obligations to United.
Maguire is within his rights to refuse a transfer. That is the only way he is entitled to future payments.
Makes zero sense, the club can only honor the contract if the player does.If he has to forfeit payment in order to play elsewhere, he is returning money owed by the clubs balance sheet for the upcoming contract years.
That is the other version of the argument I responded to.
Fans being upset that a player wants the club to honor the value of the contract.
You're right, but he has previously discussed in interviews about the feedback he sees on various platforms and how he tries to block it out. He may have a good mindset with regards to ignoring things, but no matter how good you are it sinks in on some level and at some point you are kidding yourself. Judging by the way his performances keep getting worse I'd guess it has some effect, but like you say it is all assumption.We're not in his shorts. Maybe he's mostly oblivious (or doesn't care ) about outside noise ? Certainly he took a dive in the hierarchy and was stripped of the armband. But he did a job here for two seasons more or less, perhaps he could still at least so far he's concerned.
There's a lot of assumptions about what the pride, aspiration and priorities of players are or should be.
Maguire didn't choose any of that officially. It's the club that doesn't want to fullfil the remainder of his contract. Maguire says he'll oblige them if they compensate him for his loss of income.Makes zero sense, the club can only honor the contract if the player does.
You do not forfeit anything when you transfer, you are choosing not to fulfill the remainder of your contract. The forfeit only happens if you get made redundant/contract termination
This is wrong in that case and I think you have repeated this now a dozen times, is it really so hard to understand?Makes zero sense, the club can only honor the contract if the player does.
You do not forfeit anything when you transfer, you are choosing not to fulfill the remainder of your contract. The forfeit only happens if you get made redundant/contract termination
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I think the club are playing hard ball on, we give him the payoff then where does it end, all players leaving will demand a payoff if they aren’t wanted. Hopefully it forces Maguires and Southgate’s hand, not playing then no international football so he willing leaves.Prunier must be the original meme footballer.
I don't understand either side in this Maguire debacle to be honest. He's not wanted by the club and he must know that, so why you'd suffer the embarrassment of the situation is beyond me, I'd have been looking to do a deal on the £7m. The club should also be embarrassed, they don't want him and need reinforcements for the squad, they too should have been looking to do a deal. It'll probably turn out one side was looking to do a deal and the other side was behaving like a child.
And before anyone says anything, I have left a position for less money when I wasn't happy with the conditions. There are always other opportunities to maximise your earnings when you're doing well and in a better position. Different economies of scale, but ultimately the same effect on my bottom line earnings.
I think he won't run down his contract and he's probably off next year at the latest.You're right, but he has previously discussed in interviews about the feedback he sees on various platforms and how he tries to block it out. He may have a good mindset with regards to ignoring things, but no matter how good you are it sinks in on some level and at some point you are kidding yourself. Judging by the way his performances keep getting worse I'd guess it has some effect, but like you say it is all assumption.
@pawanraj I mostly agree with what you write regarding his career, but it seems he does back himself to be able to do a job for United. For this he must realise that will require minutes on the pitch, which won't happen in all likelihood with United. If he does back himself to that degree why not insist on a release clause with West Ham, go prove he's still got it for a season or two and then let his performances hopefully earn him a late career move to one of the big clubs.
As it stands now all signs point towards a Bogarde, and whether you are money orientated or not that is just pathetic and will torpedo any legacy he ever had. He will become more of a meme.
It's more than the deficit of his loss of earnings between the 2 contracts (Roughly £7m), he apparently wants another£8m due to the fact that if he run his contract down he would be offered a huge signing on bonus apparently. A near 33 old Maguire with little game time in years is going to apparently get £8m signing on bonus? Can't make this stuff up.Tweet
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Jesus, thats alot of money.
Just tell him, he wont be registered in CL or PL this season. Fecking parasite.
Beyond greedy. Utd need to make a stand and put him in his place.It's more than the deficit of his loss of earnings between the 2 contracts (Roughly £7m), he apparently wants another£8m due to the fact that if he run his contract down he would be offered a huge signing on bonus apparently. A near 33 old Maguire with little game time in years is going to apparently get £8m signing on bonus? Can't make this stuff up.
Agreed, paying him the difference if you are asking him to move on is fine but he's projecting revenue beyond his contract, madness to me.Beyond greedy. Utd need to make a stand and put him in his place.
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Jesus, thats alot of money.
Just tell him, he wont be registered in CL or PL this season. Fecking parasite.
I know hes entitled to ask, if thats whats due to him. But it seems a big jump from £7mil.
One of the worst players in Utd history for the price we paid.
That piece of information does come from the Sun though.Tweet
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Jesus, thats alot of money.
Just tell him, he wont be registered in CL or PL this season. Fecking parasite.
I know hes entitled to ask, if thats whats due to him. But it seems a big jump from £7mil.
One of the worst players in Utd history for the price we paid.
If he doesn't want to leave, he doesn't leave and he remains at United and gets paid the remainder of his contract.This is wrong in that case and I think you have repeated this now a dozen times, is it really so hard to understand?
Harry Maguire does not want to leave, the club wants him to leave! He says 'I'm happy to stay but if you give me 7m or 15m (whatever source you believe) of those remaining contract wages I can agree with a transfer'.
That is his point of view right now, it doesn't matter at all if he secretly wants away or hope it gets trough.
He's playing hard ball on that position and it's his right to do so. If the club wants him gone so badly, they need to pay up or maybe there is hope that he lowers his demands if they don't react.
It's a game of who blinks first.
Maguire would clearly like to honour his contract at Utd though, the club are trying to sell him but it's very clear he isn't particularly up for a move. It's not really his choice, is it?Makes zero sense, the club can only honor the contract if the player does.
You do not forfeit anything when you transfer, you are choosing not to fulfill the remainder of your contract. The forfeit only happens if you get made redundant/contract termination
So essentially we need to pay him half of his salary not only for the remainder of his United contract, but also for 2 years after that.Tweet
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Jesus, thats alot of money.
Just tell him, he wont be registered in CL or PL this season. Fecking parasite.
I know hes entitled to ask, if thats whats due to him. But it seems a big jump from £7mil.
One of the worst players in Utd history for the price we paid.
It has been reported from various sources that he wants compensation if he's to leave for another team. Which means that he does want to leave if given similar wage package or not taking a pay cut.This is wrong in that case and I think you have repeated this now a dozen times, is it really so hard to understand?
Harry Maguire does not want to leave, the club wants him to leave! He says 'I'm happy to stay but if you give me 7m or 15m (whatever source you believe) of those remaining contract wages I can agree with a transfer'.
That is his point of view right now, it doesn't matter at all if he secretly wants away or hope it gets trough.
He's playing hard ball on that position and it's his right to do so. If the club wants him gone so badly, they need to pay up or maybe there is hope that he lowers his demands if they don't react.
It's a game of who blinks first.
The club accepted an offer. The club also have stated they are happy for him to stay, so yes it is his choiceMaguire would clearly like to honour his contract at Utd though, the club are trying to sell him but it's very clear he isn't particularly up for a move. It's not really his choice, is it?
I'd say they're smart enough to brief that they're in for certain players so we would bite.Are you saying they also didn't want Sanchez? Or Ronaldo?
No, that means he wants to ensure that he is financially recompensed from being asked to exit his current contract ahead of schedule and take a lower wage elsewhere. That doesn't mean he actually wants to leave.It has been reported from various sources that he wants compensation if he's to leave for another team. Which means that he does want to leave if given similar wage package or not taking a pay cut.
Which is essentially the same.No, that means he wants to ensure that he is financially recompensed from being asked to exit his current contract ahead of schedule and take a lower wage elsewhere. That doesn't mean he actually wants to leave.