Why is Richard Arnold getting a free pass from the fans?

[Gavinb33]

We don't need attackers who can play striker in the busiest season ever? If this forum did sour grapes (insert Carlsberg theme)

I his whole club career he has never played as a number 9, what do we need again oh right a number 9

 

[pascell]

If you're going to have an unnecessary dig at someone, at least tag them. Am I correct in thinking you're talking about @Adnan? Because a lot of the forum know who you're most likely talking about and a lot of people respect their knowledge on Murtough.

Funny how a lot of people jump on the Edwards from Liverpool train and would love him here, but Edwards was no where near as qualified for the job as Murtough was and also had his own fair share of dud signings and poor start. Give Murtough a break, you're only digging him out now because we missed out on Gakpo. No one even knows if we were seriously in for him and now we're all throwing our toys out the pram because we didn't get a player that a very large portion of the forum didn't even want!

Now we're not getting him everything is a shambles. It's fecking pathetic.

Yep it was @Adnan and he dropped a clanger with backing Murtough.

Look at my post history, I've always said the same, Murtough isn't good enough, nor qualified enough for the role he's been given. Our summer dealings were an absolute shambles and how we went about concluding them. Why should we be giving "breaks" to people with a lot of power and are clearly not up to the task? People like Murtough will keep the club remaining stagnant.

Couldn't careless about Gakpo as I didn't want us to sign him, he'd have been a square peg in a round hole and was too easily marked out of games at the WC. No toys being thrown about here bud, apart from the ones you're throwing about aiming digs at people who aren't happy with how we're still run like a circus.

Where did I mention Edwards? Nowhere, so I'm not sure what tangent you're going off on with that.

 

[yamo123x]

What makes it worse is that the scousers have poached our target....it looks bad on the decision makers and its inevitable fans will be unhappy.


What makes it doubly worse is that the scousers get their business done with precision, value and minimal fuss

 

[UnitedSofa]

Yep it was @Adnan and he dropped a clanger with backing Murtough.

Look at my post history, I've always said the same, Murtough isn't good enough, nor qualified enough for the role he's been given. Our summer dealings were an absolute shambles and how we went about concluding them. Why should we be giving "breaks" to people with a lot of power and are clearly not up to the task? People like Murtough will keep the club remaining stagnant.

Couldn't careless about Gakpo as I didn't want us to sign him, he'd have been a square peg in a round hole and was too easily marked out of games at the WC. No toys being thrown about here bud, apart from the ones you're throwing about aiming digs at people who aren't happy with how we're still run like a circus.

Where did I mention Edwards? Nowhere, so I'm not sure what tangent you're going off on with that.

So why didn't you tag them then?

I mentioned Edwards because I'm making a wider point about the two DoF's - nothing specifically to do with you, more so the wider forum. Making a point to back up mine that Murtough is more than good enough and more than qualified to do the job.

Also the toys out the pram comment was not aimed at you either. It was also a comment on the wider feeling that I'm reading on the forum at the moment.

We are still run like a circus but we should all be used to that by now? Why is anything a surprise any more? Why are we still getting angry at things that keep on happening? The club is about to be sold soon, so hope for change and enjoy the ride. I really don't understand why we are still getting upset about things that we know keep on happening. We are finally getting what we want (hopefully) and that is new owners. Be patient and hope next season we can go into the season with a successful transfer window, a renewed energy and a (hopefully) brighter future under new ownership.

 

[phelans shorts]

What makes it worse is that the scousers have poached our target....it looks bad on the decision makers and its inevitable fans will be unhappy.


What makes it doubly worse is that the scousers get their business done with precision, value and minimal fuss

But they haven’t. We didn’t bid.

 

[DutchSerb]

What makes it worse is that the scousers have poached our target....it looks bad on the decision makers and its inevitable fans will be unhappy.

Even if we signed him, fans would be unhappy. There's always something to moan about. It was a good decision not to get him. You're just pissing money away that should be spent on actual holes in the team. Striker and CM >>>> a LW that played 4 games as a striker against incredibly average opposition. Not saying Gakpo is a bad player or anything, but this club cannot gamble like that when there's more pressing needs.

 

[mitchmouse]

he most certainly isn't with me - double act with Arnold, resembling Laurel & Hardy (but someone here got upset when I said this before so I presume his wife or son or brother is on the cafe...)

 

[Andycoleno9]

We're not buying a world class striker in Jan and maybe even not in the summer because there's barely any of those at a decently young age.

And if we don't have depth for the second half of this season, we're throwing away top 4 and with that, money and ability to attract top talent in the summer.

Nkunku would have been awesome but even he's gone pre-order style and we'll end up having to do an Arsenal to be able to make CL through the league.

Are we buying or not a striker is a different story. Losing some player who would have instant impact deserves outrage towards Glazers/Arnold/Murtough. But losing/deciding not to buy rotation player who CAN maybe play a striker (just because he played that few times in Dutch league) is not the reason to be angry.
I think that Murtough and Arnold are the clowns and i hope that new owners will fire them but in this case they made a right call.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

I thought people are saying Murtough already set up his own new scouting department with very good scouts?

Now is the time the DOF to show his worth by getting a striker that don't cost a bomb in Jan who is suited to ETH's style of play? It can either be a loan or young hidden talent or whatnot.

I'm sick and tired of needing to throw 50-100 mils every single time when we need a decent player.

Where is our Chicharito, Larson, Sherringham, Ole, Tevez, Saha and etc to fill the striker gap?

 

[croadyman]

I thought people are saying Murtough already set up his own new scouting department with very good scouts?

Now is the time the DOF to show his worth by getting a striker that don't cost a bomb in Jan who is suited to ETH's style of play? It can either be a loan or young hidden talent or whatnot.

I'm sick and tired of needing to throw 50-100 mils every single time when we need a decent player.

Where is our Chicharito, Larson, Sherringham, Ole, Tevez, Saha and etc to fill the striker gap?

Can't see any sign of that type of striker

 

[Adnan]

Yep it was @Adnan and he dropped a clanger with backing Murtough.

Look at my post history, I've always said the same, Murtough isn't good enough, nor qualified enough for the role he's been given. Our summer dealings were an absolute shambles and how we went about concluding them. Why should we be giving "breaks" to people with a lot of power and are clearly not up to the task? People like Murtough will keep the club remaining stagnant.

Couldn't careless about Gakpo as I didn't want us to sign him, he'd have been a square peg in a round hole and was too easily marked out of games at the WC. No toys being thrown about here bud, apart from the ones you're throwing about aiming digs at people who aren't happy with how we're still run like a circus.

Where did I mention Edwards? Nowhere, so I'm not sure what tangent you're going off on with that.

It's not about backing John Murtough but rather me trying to shed light on who John Murtough is and what his remit at the club was, when he was brought to the club by David Moyes. And his role at the club was one where he was overseeing the youth teams at a time when we'd been left way behind the competition. And most of you didn't know this on the forum.

There's a difference between how the club was structured at first team level and how it was structured at the development/youth level. And the mess that was created at first team level started with the managers that were brought into the club post Fergie who were outdated in their methods compared to the likes of Klopp and Guardiola, who are two coaches who have a defined way of playing football in a high tempo/high intensity playstyle, which also reflected their approach in the transfer market where they were very methodical on who should be signed and who shouldn't.

We didn't fail because the managers weren't backed but rather we failed because those managers were blindly backed and made a mess of recruitment by signing players that didn't correlate to the modern day reality. A reality that had shown it's first glimpses with the arrivals of Rodgers and Pochettino in the EPL.

Klopp for example took over in October 2015, and didn't buy anyone in the January transfer window because he said he only wanted the correct profile of player and that profile of player wasn't available in January. They ended up finishing 8th, and the Liverpool fans were extremely critical of Michael Edwards who they deemed as the one who didn't support Klopp. But it was actually Klopp who didn't want to sign any players in January, because those players at that time didn't fit into his high tempo, fast transition, play style in a high line with high pressing and counter pressing capabilities. I wish Klopp had put all his eggs into getting into the top 4, because that would likely have meant he would've sacrificed his playing principles for short-term gain. But he actually looked beyond just getting into the Champions League for one season and looked to create something more long-term.

At any club where there's a DoF structure running successfully, there has to be a actual structure that supports the DoF. And if there isn't, then he/she will fail unless he/she is allowed to restructure the setup. So if a DoF doesn't have the support of capable heads of recruitment, then it's going to be problematic as far as recruitment is concerned. The recruitmment structure at first team was put in place by Woodward, Bout and Lawlor. And then there was the added problem of the managers like Mourinho and Ole being afforded their own personal scout. If you fail to understand the above, then you've failed to understand what the actual structure is.

So I'm asking you, what is it that the likes of Rangnick did at the RedBull clubs and Hoffenheim as the Sporting director which enabled those clubs to operate successfully at a lower level? Because contrary to what is said on here, Rangnick didn't identify which players to sign.

The issue on this forum is that there's a complete lack of understanding on the role of the DoF. And when you separate the adjoining structure from the individual at the top of the football chain in a DoF capacity. You then create a reality that only exists in your head with people too hung up on being proven correct.

If by the end of the next summer window, we don't see a marked improvement in our approach in the transfer market, then the doubts and criticisms will be justified. But we aren't at that stage yet and not signing Gakpo is the correct move from a football pov. And what we do in the January transfer window will depend on the Glazers and how much funds they make available. Because believe it or not, a DoF can't buy players by dipping into his own pockets.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

Hope this guy goes out for a drink with the fans in the pub again to leak whether we have money to sign a striker after Ronaldo left and Greenwood in jail. I thought in the last window he said something along the line that money is not an issue for Man Utd if we can get the right target.

ETH is carrying out his job very well and it's time Arnold does his job too to support the manager.

 

[red thru&thru]

Hope this guy goes out for a drink with the fans in the pub again to leak whether we have money to sign a striker after Ronaldo left and Greenwood in jail. I thought in the last window he said something along the line that money is not an issue for Man Utd if we can get the right target.

ETH is carrying out his job very well and it's time Arnold does his job too to support the manager.

We did end up spending £200m in the summer.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

We did end up spending £200m in the summer.

I mean generally and hope this is the same case for this window to get a striker.

 

[red thru&thru]

I mean generally and hope this is the same case for this window to get a striker.

I believe @Messier1994 has created a great thread on the impact of FFP on United, and why we have not much money to spend.

No doubt he'll correct me if wrong.

 

[dinostar77]

It's not about backing John Murtough but rather me trying to shed light on who John Murtough is and what his remit at the club was, when he was brought to the club by David Moyes. And his role at the club was one where he was overseeing the youth teams at a time when we'd been left way behind the competition. And most of you didn't know this on the forum.

There's a difference between how the club was structured at first team level and how it was structured at the development/youth level. And the mess that was created at first team level started with the managers that were brought into the club post Fergie who were outdated in their methods compared to the likes of Klopp and Guardiola, who are two coaches who have a defined way of playing football in a high tempo/high intensity playstyle, which also reflected their approach in the transfer market where they were very methodical on who should be signed and who shouldn't.

We didn't fail because the managers weren't backed but rather we failed because those managers were blindly backed and made a mess of recruitment by signing players that didn't correlate to the modern day reality. A reality that had shown it's first glimpses with the arrivals of Rodgers and Pochettino in the EPL.

Klopp for example took over in October 2015, and didn't buy anyone in the January transfer window because he said he only wanted the correct profile of player and that profile of player wasn't available in January. They ended up finishing 8th, and the Liverpool fans were extremely critical of Michael Edwards who they deemed as the one who didn't support Klopp. But it was actually Klopp who didn't want to sign any players in January, because those players at that time didn't fit into his high tempo, fast transition, play style in a high line with high pressing and counter pressing capabilities. I wish Klopp had put all his eggs into getting into the top 4, because that would likely have meant he would've sacrificed his playing principles for short-term gain. But he actually looked beyond just getting into the Champions League for one season and looked to create something more long-term.

At any club where there's a DoF structure running successfully, there has to be a actual structure that supports the DoF. And if there isn't, then he/she will fail unless he/she is allowed to restructure the setup. So if a DoF doesn't have the support of capable heads of recruitment, then it's going to be problematic as far as recruitment is concerned. The recruitmment structure at first team was put in place by Woodward, Bout and Lawlor. And then there was the added problem of the managers like Mourinho and Ole being afforded their own personal scout. If you fail to understand the above, then you've failed to understand what the actual structure is.

So I'm asking you, what is it that the likes of Rangnick did at the RedBull clubs and Hoffenheim as the Sporting director which enabled those clubs to operate successfully at a lower level? Because contrary to what is said on here, Rangnick didn't identify which players to sign.

The issue on this forum is that there's a complete lack of understanding on the role of the DoF. And when you separate the adjoining structure from the individual at the top of the football chain in a DoF capacity. You then create a reality that only exists in your head with people too hung up on being proven correct.

If by the end of the next summer window, we don't see a marked improvement in our approach in the transfer market, then the doubts and criticisms will be justified. But we aren't at that stage yet and not signing Gakpo is the correct move from a football pov. And what we do in the January transfer window will depend on the Glazers and how much funds they make available. Because believe it or not, a DoF can't buy players by dipping into his own pockets.

Yes he did, it was reported in the media in multiple outlets. He identified 4 players and recommended to the board:

1) Alvarez (before he went to city)
2) Nkunku (who were werent even scouting despite him being on red hot form)
3) Gvardiol (who ragnrick said was an absolute must sign)
4) Lamier (who bayern want to sign this summer).

He might of been a crap manager but as a sporting director he can identify talent.

 

[Adnan]

Yes he did, it was reported in the media in multiple outlets. He identified 4 players and recommended to the board:

1) Alvarez (before he went to city)
2) Nkunku (who were werent even scouting despite him being on red hot form)
3) Gvardiol (who ragnrick said was an absolute must sign)
4) Lamier (who bayern want to sign this summer).

He might of been a crap manager but as a sporting director he can identify talent.

His role as the Sporting director has never been one where he was identifying the players to sign but he was rather empowering the heads of scouting at his previous clubs who did that for him. Christian Mockel was the head of recruitment at Hoffenheim, and it was Mockel who led a team of scouts which identified the players to sign. I can give you similar examples of other Sporting director's who do the same.

And those players you've listed are names that were being talked about on football forums.

The issue here is that many fans have created a image of a Sporting director/DoF that doesn't correlate to reality and you isolate the individual (DoF) from the supporting structure which consists of people like the heads of scouting who identify which players to sign.

 

[dinostar77]

His role as the Sporting director has never been one where he was identifying the players to sign but he was rather empowering the heads of scouting at his previous clubs who did that for him. Christian Mockel was the head of recruitment at Hoffenheim, and it was Mockel who led a team of scouts which identified the players to sign. I can give you similar examples of other Sporting director's who do the same.

And those players you've listed are names that were being talked about on football forums.

The issue here is that many fans have created a image of a Sporting director/DoF that doesn't correlate to reality and you isolate the individual (DoF) from the supporting structure which consists of people like the heads of scouting who identify which players to sign.

On this specific point i can google and provide articles from multiple outlets with the same players.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ws/man-united-rangnick-transfer-news-24706667

Ralf Rangnick recommended Joško Gvardiol and Konrad Laimer to the Manchester United board before he left the club

Rangnick regarded RB Leipzig and Croatia defender Gvardiol, 20, as a "must-buy" while Leipzig midfielder Laimer, 25, is generating interest from Bayern Munich.

Rangnick advised United to scout Leipzig striker Christopher Nkunku, 24

Rangnick also flagged Julian Alvarez as a possible attacking option in January before City negotiated a deal with River Plate for £14m.

Regardless if the four mentioned players had been provided by his form scouts at former clubs, if we had listened to him, we would have 4 fantastic prospects in our first team.

 

[macheda14]

On this specific point i can google and provide articles from multiple outlets with the same players.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ws/man-united-rangnick-transfer-news-24706667

Ralf Rangnick recommended Joško Gvardiol and Konrad Laimer to the Manchester United board before he left the club

Rangnick regarded RB Leipzig and Croatia defender Gvardiol, 20, as a "must-buy" while Leipzig midfielder Laimer, 25, is generating interest from Bayern Munich.

Rangnick advised United to scout Leipzig striker Christopher Nkunku, 24

Rangnick also flagged Julian Alvarez as a possible attacking option in January before City negotiated a deal with River Plate for £14m.

Regardless if the four mentioned players had been provided by his form scouts at former clubs, if we had listened to him, we would have 4 fantastic prospects in our first team.

Nkunku wasn’t available in January and quite openly said he wasn’t leaving last summer. Gvardiol as well was touted for quite a high fee and then Chelsea reportedly only managed to sign him a year in advance (with that deal now looking unlikely). Laimer is good, but not amazing and also not a ‘prospect’. The only annoying one is Alvarez as we were linked to him quite strongly before he went to City and he looks a steal.

 

[Adnan]

On this specific point i can google and provide articles from multiple outlets with the same players.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ws/man-united-rangnick-transfer-news-24706667

Ralf Rangnick recommended Joško Gvardiol and Konrad Laimer to the Manchester United board before he left the club

Rangnick regarded RB Leipzig and Croatia defender Gvardiol, 20, as a "must-buy" while Leipzig midfielder Laimer, 25, is generating interest from Bayern Munich.

Rangnick advised United to scout Leipzig striker Christopher Nkunku, 24

Rangnick also flagged Julian Alvarez as a possible attacking option in January before City negotiated a deal with River Plate for £14m.

Regardless if the four mentioned players had been provided by his form scouts at former clubs, if we had listened to him, we would have 4 fantastic prospects in our first team.

It would be best for the club if we listen to the scouting department in tandem with the head coach and his tactical blue print, which is different to Rangnick's approach to playing the game.

And those four players you mention, would've cost us close to €200m, with Gvardiol on his own valued at around €100m. EtH instead opted to sign Lisandro Martinez for a cheaper fee in comparison.

You also mention Laimer, who isn't really a fit for a team which is looking to bring in a head coach who wants to implement a positional game style via building through the thirds. It makes sense for Rangnick or even a Pochettino, to sign such a player due to their methods heavily favouring a ultra vertical approach with heavy emphasis on pressing and counter pressing. It made no sense for United to sign him with ten Hag incoming and having a player with a similar profile already at the club in Fred.

 

[dalriada]

It's not about backing John Murtough but rather me trying to shed light on who John Murtough is and what his remit at the club was, when he was brought to the club by David Moyes. And his role at the club was one where he was overseeing the youth teams at a time when we'd been left way behind the competition. And most of you didn't know this on the forum.

There's a difference between how the club was structured at first team level and how it was structured at the development/youth level. And the mess that was created at first team level started with the managers that were brought into the club post Fergie who were outdated in their methods compared to the likes of Klopp and Guardiola, who are two coaches who have a defined way of playing football in a high tempo/high intensity playstyle, which also reflected their approach in the transfer market where they were very methodical on who should be signed and who shouldn't.

We didn't fail because the managers weren't backed but rather we failed because those managers were blindly backed and made a mess of recruitment by signing players that didn't correlate to the modern day reality. A reality that had shown it's first glimpses with the arrivals of Rodgers and Pochettino in the EPL.

Klopp for example took over in October 2015, and didn't buy anyone in the January transfer window because he said he only wanted the correct profile of player and that profile of player wasn't available in January. They ended up finishing 8th, and the Liverpool fans were extremely critical of Michael Edwards who they deemed as the one who didn't support Klopp. But it was actually Klopp who didn't want to sign any players in January, because those players at that time didn't fit into his high tempo, fast transition, play style in a high line with high pressing and counter pressing capabilities. I wish Klopp had put all his eggs into getting into the top 4, because that would likely have meant he would've sacrificed his playing principles for short-term gain. But he actually looked beyond just getting into the Champions League for one season and looked to create something more long-term.

At any club where there's a DoF structure running successfully, there has to be a actual structure that supports the DoF. And if there isn't, then he/she will fail unless he/she is allowed to restructure the setup. So if a DoF doesn't have the support of capable heads of recruitment, then it's going to be problematic as far as recruitment is concerned. The recruitmment structure at first team was put in place by Woodward, Bout and Lawlor. And then there was the added problem of the managers like Mourinho and Ole being afforded their own personal scout. If you fail to understand the above, then you've failed to understand what the actual structure is.

So I'm asking you, what is it that the likes of Rangnick did at the RedBull clubs and Hoffenheim as the Sporting director which enabled those clubs to operate successfully at a lower level? Because contrary to what is said on here, Rangnick didn't identify which players to sign.

The issue on this forum is that there's a complete lack of understanding on the role of the DoF. And when you separate the adjoining structure from the individual at the top of the football chain in a DoF capacity. You then create a reality that only exists in your head with people too hung up on being proven correct.

If by the end of the next summer window, we don't see a marked improvement in our approach in the transfer market, then the doubts and criticisms will be justified. But we aren't at that stage yet and not signing Gakpo is the correct move from a football pov. And what we do in the January transfer window will depend on the Glazers and how much funds they make available. Because believe it or not, a DoF can't buy players by dipping into his own pockets.

The point about Klopp is well made. A similar situation with Utd was the post-Fergie season, when there was huge pressure for Moyes to come in and spend big when in reality he wasn't in a position to make informed buying decisions. We ended up buying Fellaini almost out of the need to do something rather than nothing when the better decision would have been to wait. The fan and media pressure to just inflate the spending without regard to the long term is relentless.
Arnold is the CEO and an accountant. I don't know if he's "getting a free pass" or not, in the sense that we don't know how the club is operating behind closed doors. All we can say is that the structure has clearly not been delivering results since SAF retired, so there's been a collective failure to replace a structure where the Board largely dealt with the commercial stuff and SAF made most of the football decisions. Appointing a DoF would go towards changing that, but certainly doesn't solve the problem on its own if the total structure isn't right.

 

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[Tango80]

It's not about backing John Murtough but rather me trying to shed light on who John Murtough is and what his remit at the club was, when he was brought to the club by David Moyes. And his role at the club was one where he was overseeing the youth teams at a time when we'd been left way behind the competition. And most of you didn't know this on the forum.

There's a difference between how the club was structured at first team level and how it was structured at the development/youth level. And the mess that was created at first team level started with the managers that were brought into the club post Fergie who were outdated in their methods compared to the likes of Klopp and Guardiola, who are two coaches who have a defined way of playing football in a high tempo/high intensity playstyle, which also reflected their approach in the transfer market where they were very methodical on who should be signed and who shouldn't.

We didn't fail because the managers weren't backed but rather we failed because those managers were blindly backed and made a mess of recruitment by signing players that didn't correlate to the modern day reality. A reality that had shown it's first glimpses with the arrivals of Rodgers and Pochettino in the EPL.

Klopp for example took over in October 2015, and didn't buy anyone in the January transfer window because he said he only wanted the correct profile of player and that profile of player wasn't available in January. They ended up finishing 8th, and the Liverpool fans were extremely critical of Michael Edwards who they deemed as the one who didn't support Klopp. But it was actually Klopp who didn't want to sign any players in January, because those players at that time didn't fit into his high tempo, fast transition, play style in a high line with high pressing and counter pressing capabilities. I wish Klopp had put all his eggs into getting into the top 4, because that would likely have meant he would've sacrificed his playing principles for short-term gain. But he actually looked beyond just getting into the Champions League for one season and looked to create something more long-term.

At any club where there's a DoF structure running successfully, there has to be a actual structure that supports the DoF. And if there isn't, then he/she will fail unless he/she is allowed to restructure the setup. So if a DoF doesn't have the support of capable heads of recruitment, then it's going to be problematic as far as recruitment is concerned. The recruitmment structure at first team was put in place by Woodward, Bout and Lawlor. And then there was the added problem of the managers like Mourinho and Ole being afforded their own personal scout. If you fail to understand the above, then you've failed to understand what the actual structure is.

So I'm asking you, what is it that the likes of Rangnick did at the RedBull clubs and Hoffenheim as the Sporting director which enabled those clubs to operate successfully at a lower level? Because contrary to what is said on here, Rangnick didn't identify which players to sign.

The issue on this forum is that there's a complete lack of understanding on the role of the DoF. And when you separate the adjoining structure from the individual at the top of the football chain in a DoF capacity. You then create a reality that only exists in your head with people too hung up on being proven correct.

If by the end of the next summer window, we don't see a marked improvement in our approach in the transfer market, then the doubts and criticisms will be justified. But we aren't at that stage yet and not signing Gakpo is the correct move from a football pov. And what we do in the January transfer window will depend on the Glazers and how much funds they make available. Because believe it or not, a DoF can't buy players by dipping into his own pockets.

I would echo this.

Nobody really had a full understanding of what a DoF actually does, that's plainly obvious on here. They think all they do is sit around and arrange transfers. That's a tiny, tiny part of what they do. Hell, most people don't even realize we have a head of recruitment and it's not John Murtough.

They will do stuff that you probably don't even realize. Restructure the staffing side. Set up and oversee data analysis. Look at improving the other sides, like sports science, conditioning monitoring, scouting network. All things you probably wouldn't notice until a few years down the line.

We'll see in 5 years or so if things have improved. Until then, I wouldn't buy the opinion of anyone who doesn't understand what a person's role actually is meant to be.

 

[Revaulx]

So will they parachute Al-Khelaifi in from PSG?

If so I suppose it’s back to trophy signings and a new manager every five minutes.

 

[SirReginald]

Nkunku wasn’t available in January and quite openly said he wasn’t leaving last summer. Gvardiol as well was touted for quite a high fee and then Chelsea reportedly only managed to sign him a year in advance (with that deal now looking unlikely). Laimer is good, but not amazing and also not a ‘prospect’. The only annoying one is Alvarez as we were linked to him quite strongly before he went to City and he looks a steal.

You got it mixed up. We bid £80mil in the summer for Gvardiol. They said no. We negotiated for Nkunku following the close of the window and have reportedly signed him on a contract in the summer. Gvardiol was likely brought up again but we seem to have gone for a cheaper option in Badiashile. Can’t see us now going back for Gvardiol.

 

[Rightnr]

Don't let this guy get away with it. You know what I mean.

Absolute shambles.

 

[Alvaro Maestre]

Theres a big scandal happening right now at the club and nobody cant discuss it here. We are all over the news, worldwide.

 

[Long Time Red]

His position is now untenable in my view and has lowered himself to Woodward's level.

Time to go Richard.

 

[Rightnr]

His position is now untenable in my view and has lowered himself to Woodward's level.

Time to go Richard.

Only way he's not worse is if he leaks who from the Glazers made the decision because I believe it was those cnuts.

 

[afrocentricity]

Why do you guys have to go for everyone? Who'd wanna work here if not for the money? The moment some of the fans turn it's like there is no coming back.

None of us have any real idea what is going on with this guy but there are already calls for him to fall on his sword......

 

[Long Time Red]

Only way he's not worse is if he leaks who from the Glazers made the decision because I believe it was those cnuts.

He could have refused to entertain the idea.

Whether he drew up this disgusting PR campaign or not, it was still done on his watch.

Despicable human, just like Woodward and Glazers and he should resign.

 

[Lecland07]

The decision has not been made even. It is just reports.

I think people need to wait for a real announcement about what is happening.

 

[Long Time Red]

Why do you guys have to go for everyone? Who'd wanna work here if not for the money? The moment some of the fans turn it's like there is no coming back.

None of us have any real idea what is going on with this guy but there are already calls for him to fall on his sword......

Clearly you haven't read any of the Athletic's articles.

It's pretty damning.

 

[gajender]

Why do you guys have to go for everyone? Who'd wanna work here if not for the money? The moment some of the fans turn it's like there is no coming back.

None of us have any real idea what is going on with this guy but there are already calls for him to fall on his sword......

It seems some in United's fanbase lacks any nuance atleast here and have fairly strong sense of right or wrong and every thing is either black or white nothing in between and any deviation from that makes you the person non grata .

 

[Rightnr]

It seems some in United's fanbase lacks any nuance atleast here and have fairly strong sense of right or wrong and every thing is either black or white nothing in between and any deviation from that makes you the person non grata .

Erm, forget the morals, Arnold has absolutely fecked this situation.

The guy has shown himself to be out of his depth.

As for black and white, I find it funny that I'm pretty sure which side is going quite black and white and refusing to use their brain or just downright ignoring the reality.

 

[pascell]

The decision has not been made even. It is just reports.

I think people need to wait for a real announcement about what is happening.

The decision has been made and was made a while back, he just got outed on his decision by Adam Crafton and had to try and save face.

Anyone who thinks the decision hasn't been made is getting played a fiddle.

Look at the timing of the Adidas sponsorship extension to when a few journalists got briefed of when we'd made our decision.

 

[gajender]

Clearly you haven't read any of the Athletic's articles.

It's pretty damning.

It's pretty damning alright because it's suppose to damning thats how Athletic want to present it not saying they are right or wrong but it's definitely the narrative they want to push .

 

[RedNome]

It's pretty damning alright because it's suppose to damning thats how Athletic want to present it not saying they are right or wrong but it's definitely the narrative they want to push .

Or it's just the narrative.

 

[Lash]

Thought we were ushering in a new era, football related decisions seemed to have improved, but has absolutely ballsed up the decisions when run a global brand and massive organisation with a massive and diverse workforce.

 

[afrocentricity]

Clearly you haven't read any of the Athletic's articles.

It's pretty damning.

I'm up to date, still don't know enough to be calling for the mans head... but that's just me