Was it a penalty (part 2)?

[Anustart89]

It's like I've said in the numerous threads on this subject over the past week. As a ref, it's so much easier to just give any call against us.

If you give a call that benefits us (like Attwell did last season against City), your name's going to be plastered all over media, your job performance is going to be questioned and it might even cost you a fair bit of money if you don't get a game the next weekend.

If you give a call that benefits our opposition, media will just gloss it over. You can go home, have a nice dinner and not have your performance criticised by every Tom, Dick and Harry in the media, and your bosses aren't going to be running to the disadvantaged team's dressing room to criticise your performance.

Given this, why would anyone choose to give a penalty to us?

 

[Berbasbullet]

Remember the one Martinez gave away in Europa?

 

[stevoc]

Remember the one Martinez gave away in Europa?

Which 100% wasn't a penalty according to the rules as it bounced off his chest before hitting his arm.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Which 100% wasn't a penalty according to the rules as it bounced off his chest before hitting his arm.

Im glad the official was scrutinised for a week and taken off the next game.

 

[Bale Bale Bale]

You telling me that if it wasn't the other round Shearer just says he's "happy with the decision" and everyone moves on?

Yep.

Most people WILL be happy with the decision because most people (and most pundits) HATE Manchester United.

Every fan of every club in the land thinks the rest of the world is out to get them.

And 99/1 my arse, once the balls gone those decisions never get called as penalties, see Vicario literally last week. Or was that stonewall as well?

I think Vicario was a little lucky to get away with it, yeah, though it wasn't quite as egregious as the Onana one.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Yep.



Every fan of every club in the land thinks the rest of the world is out to get them.



I think Vicario was a little lucky to get away with it, yeah, though it wasn't quite as egregious as the Onana one.

Whens the last time Spurs received the level of scrutiny from the media for a decison that united got for Onana or Bruno against City last season?

 

[duffer]

Whens the last time Spurs received the level of scrutiny from the media for a decison that united got for Onana or Bruno against City last season?

The Cucurella hair pull last season? Chelsea got the same pointless "apology" as well.

 

[Berbasbullet]

The Cucurella hair pull last season? Chelsea got the same pointless "apology" as well.

Genuinely don't remember that. maybe I was out that day.

Also by scrutiny level, Brunos one was still being talked about at the FA cup final.

 

[M Bison]

I thought it was a pen but I also thought the Martinez on Romero one was too.

 

[Care_de_Bobo]

Come on now everybody, if it was actually a penalty then why would lifelong Newcastle United fan Michael Oliver not give it?

The guy should seriously not be allowed anywhere near games involving the top 6 teams in the league. How can he not be biased. It would be like letting an Everton fan ref a Liverpool game.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

That has never not been a pen under VAR.

 

[Bale Bale Bale]

Whens the last time Spurs received the level of scrutiny from the media for a decison that united got for Onana or Bruno against City last season?

Probably against Brighton last season where they had two ruled out for handball(imo one of those was right) and about three clear penalties turned down.

https://theathletic.com/4394206/2023/04/09/brighton-tottenham-penalty-var/

The one @duffer mentioned as well. Though that was more hilarious than scandalous

Obviously anything to do with Utd is going to generate more noise than Spurs but that doesn't mean everyone's biased and hates Utd.

 

[The Corinthian]

1. Because most thought it wasn't a pen - even Roy Keane
2. Wasn't a 50/50, more like a 99/1
3. See 1
4. Yeah and that was widely criticised at the time

Ah, Glasto is back.

 

[njred]

Short answer to the bolded part? Yes. These ‘journos’ spent the best part of a week [only cause we played on Monday] tweeting & podcasting about Onana in the Wolverhampton dying minutes but ignore a penalty not given in the first half when Spurs were quite frankly shite.

I’ve personally no issue with mistakes happening, I am however getting a tad bored of rival fans like yourself acting like the difference in coverage doesn’t exist. We’ve seen it in the space of a week ffs.

What’s funny is rival fans like us think just the opposite. We have always thought the media loved united and refs were always bias towards you ( especially in the SAF days)and wanted teams like Liverpool to suffer. Last week in the Liverpool game they took away a penalty where the defender from Chelsea used his hands on a corner and it wasn’t given, meanwhile your goalie assaulted a players face with a fist and that wasn’t given . One could say that is bias towards and not against united. Point is we’re all in the same boat and I for one have learned to ignore the noise around the fact that it’s just incompetent refereeing.

 

[Strelok]

United fans can also be blamed for lack of debate over it. I mean, just two pages about it on here while the monday incident on the caf got so much more.

It's a stonewall pen.

Agree.

I really hope our fans would carry numerous posters say 'where is our fecking apology?' next match. Moaning here would do pretty nothing. If we don't do anything this kind of shit will happen to us for the next six months I reckon. Any match going fan here?

 

[Berbasbullet]

Probably against Brighton last season where they had two ruled out for handball(imo one of those was right) and about three clear penalties turned down.

https://theathletic.com/4394206/2023/04/09/brighton-tottenham-penalty-var/

The one @duffer mentioned as well. Though that was more hilarious than scandalous

Obviously anything to do with Utd is going to generate more noise than Spurs but that doesn't mean everyone's biased and hates Utd.

This is the key bit for me. Everything is amplified by an exceptional amount, meaning that if you give a decision to United incorrectly then you will receive so much more jip.

 

[Heinzesight]

1. Because most thought it wasn't a pen - even Roy Keane
2. Wasn't a 50/50, more like a 99/1
3. See 1
4. Yeah and that was widely criticised at the time

99/1

 

[Andycoleno9]

At least Bruno said what we all think. He demands apology from Moss.

 

[sebsheep]

I think Vicario was a little lucky to get away with it, yeah, though it wasn't quite as egregious as the Onana one.

Not quite as in actually worse? He cleaned the guy out.

 

[El Zoido]

You see a penalty given for this type of handball more often that you see a penalty given for what Onana did on Monday.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

What’s funny is rival fans like us think just the opposite. We have always thought the media loved united and refs were always bias towards you ( especially in the SAF days)and wanted teams like Liverpool to suffer. Last week in the Liverpool game they took away a penalty where the defender from Chelsea used his hands on a corner and it wasn’t given, meanwhile your goalie assaulted a players face with a fist and that wasn’t given . One could say that is bias towards and not against united. Point is we’re all in the same boat and I for one have learned to ignore the noise around the fact that it’s just incompetent refereeing.

The argument against SAF was always flawed though if you use any logic. Whilst Sir Alex was at United we were generally the best team in the league, the best team in the league will generally have the best strikers who will cause defenders more issues they will also have the best defenders who, you know, will make less mistakes.

Now I’m not saying I haven’t seen shocking decisions in favour of United, of course I have, but the argument people favoured the best team [more often than not] with better players under Fergie doesn’t make sense.

Not to distant past. Look at the nonsense your lot got away with in the FA Cup against Wolves last year, had that been United

We went through a period under Ole where we were getting penalties, your man Klopp says something, & the fall off in penalty decisions since is remarkable. If you think VAR yesterday weren’t influence by the nonsense thrown at VAR since Monday fair play, I might accept that opinion but harping on about Fergie is hilarious.

As for the bolded part, see the coverage of said Onana issue & the one in your game. Which got more media? So whilst it was against you on this occasion where was the play by play against Chelsea. You’ve just reinforced my point. No referee gets everything right but when they don’t & people feel it favours United well. . .

United ruined a lot of childhoods, of course rival fans think United got favoured cause it’s easier than just admitting they were generally better.

Your response misses the point entirely because we aren’t ‘all in the same boat’.

 

[njred]

The argument against SAF was always flawed though if you use any logic. Whilst Sir Alex was at United we were generally the best team in the league, the best team in the league will generally have the best strikers who will cause defenders more issues they will also have the best defenders who, you know, will make less mistakes.

Now I’m not saying I haven’t seen shocking decisions in favour of United, of course I have, but the argument people favoured the best team [more often than not] with better players under Fergie doesn’t make sense.

Not to distant past. Look at the nonsense your lot got away with in the FA Cup against Wolves last year, had that been United

We went through a period under Ole where we were getting penalties, your man Klopp says something, & the fall off in penalty decisions since is remarkable. If you think VAR yesterday weren’t influence by the nonsense thrown at VAR since Monday fair play, I might accept that opinion but harping on about Fergie is hilarious.

As for the bolded part, see the coverage of said Onana issue & the one in your game. Which got more media? So whilst it was against you on this occasion where was the play by play against Chelsea. You’ve just reinforced my point. No referee gets everything right but when they don’t & people feel it favours United well. . .

United ruined a lot of childhoods, of course rival fans think United got favoured cause it’s easier than just admitting they were generally better.

Your response misses the point entirely because we aren’t ‘all in the same boat’.

All I know is I’ve stopped moaning about bias years ago. It’s not a good look.

 

[Idxomer]

So many rival fans playing dumb in this thread.

 

[Gorse Hill Red]

Spain in the women’s final has been given a pen for an even less obvious pen for a very similar infringement.

 

[GazTheLegend]

Pretty similar one just got given in the women's world cup final if anyone is watching. Micced up referee explains.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

All I know is I’ve stopped moaning about bias years ago. It’s not a good look.

Moaning & mentioning are two different things.

Funny how you moaned about Fergie but have no rebuttal to the fact his teams were generally better than most he played against.

You’ve got an example from your game last Sunday & United’s games yesterday/Monday. You can say it’s a bad look, what you’re not saying/discussing is the difference in coverage which was the point.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

So many rival fans playing dumb in this thread.

Exactly.

You always know what the agenda is when the name Fergie comes out.

 

[bosnian_red]

If Monday didn't happen, this would have been given. The crazyness is that this is far more of a pen, and is almost always given. The wolves incident is almost never given.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

If Monday didn't happen, this would have been given. The crazyness is that this is far more of a pen, and is almost always given. The wolves incident is almost never given.

This is how I’ve felt but couldn’t be arsed with the back & forths. Goalkeepers clear out attackers every fecking week. Come out with their knees up etc.

 

[bosnian_red]

This is how I’ve felt but couldn’t be arsed with the back & forths. Goalkeepers clear out attackers every fecking week. Come out with their knees up etc.

They don't get given when the keeper clears out the player who actually heads the ball or after a player takes a shot, or fully punches them when going for the ball. This situation Onana jumped into a player who was in front of the player who actually got the ball, and it was purely body on body, no fist or hand punching a player. The outrage is crazy, the apology is nonsense, I've never seen it given in my life. A different debate on if it should be in the future, but ive literally never seen that situation given and I'd love to see examples otherwise.

 

[Acquire Me]

It would have been a penalty if the Wolves situation didn’t happen. It’s obviously a penalty.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

They don't get given when the keeper clears out the player who actually heads the ball or after a player takes a shot, or fully punches them when going for the ball. This situation Onana jumped into a player who was in front of the player who actually got the ball, and it was purely body on body, no fist or hand punching a player. The outrage is crazy, the apology is nonsense, I've never seen it given in my life. A different debate on if it should be in the future, but ive literally never seen that situation given and I'd love to see examples otherwise.

Great explanation.

 

[Pexbo]

If Monday didn't happen, this would have been given. The crazyness is that this is far more of a pen, and is almost always given. The wolves incident is almost never given.

Which is exactly what the media outrage and pressure was designed for. A bunch of ABU cnuts heaping pressure.

 

[Care_de_Bobo]

All I know is I’ve stopped moaning about bias years ago. It’s not a good look.

Well considering how many favourable decisions your team gets in it's favour, you don't have much to moan about. How is it possible, for example, that Casemiro got sent off twice in his first season in England, but Fabinho didn't get a single red during his whole time with Liverpool despite being one of the dirtiest players in the league?

 

[njred]

Moaning & mentioning are two different things.

Funny how you moaned about Fergie but have no rebuttal to the fact his teams were generally better than most he played against.

You’ve got an example from your game last Sunday & United’s games yesterday/Monday. You can say it’s a bad look, what you’re not saying/discussing is the difference in coverage which was the point.

It looks like 3 pages of moaning over 1 call. We had a red given to us yesterday where even the majority on here knew it wasn’t. There’s no media calling it out as harsh. It’s just terrible refereeing and VAR being useless as ever.

 

[GazTheLegend]

@Bale Bale Bale was the one just given in the world cup a pen?

It looks like 3 pages of moaning over 1 call. We had a red given to us yesterday where even the majority on here knew it wasn’t. There’s no media calling it out as harsh. It’s just terrible refereeing and VAR being useless as ever.

It was a red for me. Studs up into a shin full force?

 

[GazTheLegend]

They don't get given when the keeper clears out the player who actually heads the ball or after a player takes a shot, or fully punches them when going for the ball. This situation Onana jumped into a player who was in front of the player who actually got the ball, and it was purely body on body, no fist or hand punching a player. The outrage is crazy, the apology is nonsense, I've never seen it given in my life. A different debate on if it should be in the future, but ive literally never seen that situation given and I'd love to see examples otherwise.

Yeah I felt like I was going a bit mad to be honest. The two wolves players jumped up, got in each others way, Onana's eyes are entirely on the ball and he misses it and bumps into a wolves player after they've already headed the ball. It's only been debated so much cos it's us. The Liverpool red the other day too was pretty clear cut, his studs are up and he goes in full force, what the feck is debatable about that.

 

[cyberman]

It looks like 3 pages of moaning over 1 call. We had a red given to us yesterday where even the majority on here knew it wasn’t. There’s no media calling it out as harsh. It’s just terrible refereeing and VAR being useless as ever.

It’s not one call. The amount of those calls we have got for 12 months now is borderline ridiculous.
We don’t get 50/50 calls anymore, not even 70/30 and when we do everyone calls for the rule to change

 

[Bale Bale Bale]

@Bale Bale Bale was the one just given in the world cup a pen?

I'm not watching.

I think Romero's was more of a pen than not if that's what you're getting at. I guess the difference is though that when we do get one go against us I won't be crying about it being a conspiracy.

 

[Oly Francis]

100% penalty, but no matter what we were never going to get one yesterday after last weekend.

I've said it before and I will say it again, it will come out one day VAR is corrupt at some level for match fixing.

You do realize that "VAR" isn't a person right? There's actual refs analysing, Pawson and Long yesterday. So unless you think that all the teams in the league decided to pool their money to pay every PL refery to tilt games against United and that they're all corrupted, your theory doesn't make any sense.

Incompentent is possible, corrupted is unlikely.