Get over it. I am talking about people wishing the club to lose and some other nasty comments.
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Thought about it too and they're going to do biggest exit and fee in their entire club's history.
I agree, but that doesn't answer the question.
We're invested in the case, and the outcome, but the intimate details aren't our business. They shoudln't have a responsibility to come out and explain about their private lives, imo.
No I dont. Thats why I am not judging stuff and write things as if there is only one possible truth. You are completely right, nobody knows the full story except for probably the two people involved yet so many on here seem either enlightened enough to call out the club for bowing from the public opinion or to indicate that even more foul play must be in there because apparently, a legal system that doesn't result in prison for a person they consider guilty must be badly designed.
Mate, first - if you have experienced something similar - I am sorry for you. I really am. But (thankfully for me) that doesn't apply to anybody and the general public has to find a fair way of dealing with such things. I don't know much about you, what I do know is, that not for a billion dollars I'd put myself out there claiming to know how a relationship between to people has to look like. How they should be talking to each other. I just don't know and I don't have to know because it is none of my business. You don't know, if the snippet you are presenting happend within a broader fight scene. You don't know what happened after. But apparently, other people heard more about the case. You don't know, if the photo on social media was some of acting out to get one back. We just don't know. What we do know is, that there seemingly was violence involved. And the person case has been looked at by people dealing with such stuff on a regular basis. they have more experience and more knowledge than all of us.
All we and also you know, is what has been released publically. Make of that what you want, I personally am a bit worried, how little is needed for people to judge others. I mean, again, everybody is free to do so. But acting as if there is just one possible truth and look on things (which is conveniently the own one) just can't be right.
Again - if you are personally triggered because of own experiences, I can understand it. And I won't judge. All I say is, we've come a long way trying to create processes to deal with wrongdoings that are as fair and not-invasive as possible. We can't just throw that away and go back to middle age practices. The general public has the interest of the victim on its forefront, I don't think, there is the need for every possible individual to get into fighting mode as well.
Incorrect, belief is not evidence based.
Neither Mason nor his partner want the public to know. Therefore the club cannot do anything about that. Both him and his partner need therapy.
No he wasn't, but good to see who you heroes are - you are sure working overtime defending him.
what the feck is wrong with you?
it’s more embarrassing to be into role play than being accused of raping and assaulting your girlfriend and being suspended for 18 months?
Thank god the club has values.
But that doesn't answer the question I posed.
That’s a bit different, the fickle nature and the ugliness of people like you means he probably will be welcomed at a PL eventually.
Can't believe people are actually crying in this thread over a football player, get a life.
Another wannabe looking for their 2 min fame on this issue. CPS dropped the case because of new evidence and one witness changing their story. Thats as close as you can get to being exonerated.
Otherwise whats the bloody point of a legal system. Him being a lawyer should know that otherwise should leave law and practice online mob justice group
Yeah, we have no grounds to terminate and I'm not sure why Greenwood would want to either. The whole thing doesn't really make sense though. If they are sure he didn't do it why are they binning him. It seems like they want to send him on loan in the hopes that if he scores 30 goals fans will clamor to have him back. But surely, if he's that good we need him considering our striker options. Or they think the backlash will die down by this time next year which is unlikely?
Good riddance. Will not be missed.
Maybe they did?
You know, to the police and the courts?
Which is maybe why the case has been dropped?
Mind you, I have no idea, just guessing, as we all are.
No one? What a silly little post.
Please educate yourself about the situation before claiming stuff like this.
The lack of an answer tells us all we need to know.
Once again, the lack of an answer tells us all we need to know.
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Keep reading things like 'what if he's great for one of our rivals?'
Yeah, what if he is? His quality as a football player should have nothing to do with the club's decision, which was the correct one, eventually.
We can only speculate about the process that got us there, but it didn't *look* great.
Yeah, what if he is? His quality as a football player should have nothing to do with the club's decision, which was the correct one, eventually.
We can only speculate about the process that got us there, but it didn't *look* great.
The speed at which this was done was absolutely appalling.
It also hurts to see someone who grew up at the club since he was a child, not being protected by the club.
He may have allegedly done some heinous things, but as someone who is barely out of his teenage years, surely he should be given a second chance.
The crazy thing is that the club care more about sponsors/backlash than the actual human being that is Greenwood.
Hopefully he goes on loan and we don't sell him. I still maintain that he deserves a second chance to redeem himself.
It also hurts to see someone who grew up at the club since he was a child, not being protected by the club.
He may have allegedly done some heinous things, but as someone who is barely out of his teenage years, surely he should be given a second chance.
The crazy thing is that the club care more about sponsors/backlash than the actual human being that is Greenwood.
Hopefully he goes on loan and we don't sell him. I still maintain that he deserves a second chance to redeem himself.
There is obviously more to this story than what little information we have. I don’t get why people continue to insist that what they know is correct when it’s obvious there is more to this.
I think that you are extremely naive. Institutions will latch on every little bit to brighten their public perception. They must deal with hundreds of cases similar to this one, they know that once the victim backs off or is made to back off, it is almost impossible to "win". Doesn't make them turn around and think "well f her if she don't want our help". They are still trying to help and listing extensively what made them drop the case is both factually true and to "excuse" their inability to go further and accomplish their mission.
I have no problem with Giggs as a footballer, as I have no problem with Mason, Ronaldo or Best. I don’t know Giggs personally and could care less he’s a womanizing prick, I don’t look to him for guidance on morals and ethics. I watched him and other greats to be entertained. If football is your guiding light on things then I suggest a reset.
Why would his personal sexual desires of being a “****” bother you? This thread is so weird.
Is it, if you were not there you can only go on what you believe based on the evidence.
It's quite simple for me.
You can't play for this club with that kind of recording hanging over your head.
If the club doesn't want to explain what happened, fine but he can't continue here unless people have clarity becuause I don't understand what other conclusion one can get from hearing that recording.
Like i said, maybe they explained it to who ever it mattered. You know, the police etc?
Why do we, the public, have to be informed in all of it?
You have issue with people breaking a case down and adding their expertise to it? How is that "mob justice group"
Read what he says properly, whether or not it changes your mind is one thing, but at least look at the points properly.
Dude acted like a spoiled shit, which isn't a surprise when you're young, dumb, wealthy, and feel like the world revolves around you.... he's certainly facing some consequences - tarnished reputation, needs to relocate and get a new job somewhere else.
He should have publicly apologized much quicker and gone to do classes of some sort to improve his character, ground him, teach him right from wrong, etc... but I think this is just going to be a change of scenery for him and he'll be the same person he was then... won't grow from it, will just not make the same mistake of it going public... just my opinion from outside perspective.
I think the club would be better with him here. We will struggle to score goals. Any team that picks him up will be lucky to get most likely a discount on a great talent and he'll score lots of goals for them.
He should have publicly apologized much quicker and gone to do classes of some sort to improve his character, ground him, teach him right from wrong, etc... but I think this is just going to be a change of scenery for him and he'll be the same person he was then... won't grow from it, will just not make the same mistake of it going public... just my opinion from outside perspective.
I think the club would be better with him here. We will struggle to score goals. Any team that picks him up will be lucky to get most likely a discount on a great talent and he'll score lots of goals for them.
Arsenal might take a punt, they don’t mind it there
The amount of abuse from fans, media and probably even from players might be worse for him. United is probably the biggest spotlight in football and only magnifies all of those things. It was the best for the club and for him to do his thing elsewhere, away from all the attention that Manchester United will bring to him and his family. The statement says it was by mutual agreement they decided to party ways, he probably even got a compensation for the rest of his contract.
That's all as clear as mud.
The internal investigation leaves Richard Arnold to conclude that Greenwood didn't commit the acts he was accused of.
Greenwood then reiterates that he didn't commit the acts he was accused of.
They suggest that all is not as it seems with the Audio & Photos, but that Greenwood has "made mistakes"
Well what the heck does that mean?
The internal investigation leaves Richard Arnold to conclude that Greenwood didn't commit the acts he was accused of.
Greenwood then reiterates that he didn't commit the acts he was accused of.
They suggest that all is not as it seems with the Audio & Photos, but that Greenwood has "made mistakes"
Well what the heck does that mean?
Once those photos and video clips were out there and people had made their minds up do you REALLY think anyone would buy that a reasonable explanation, even if it was true?
Richard Arnold needs to pack his shit and get the feck out too.
Further to this, I don't believe going with a public majority opinion, despite having evidence to the contrary is a morally sound position from the club. It leaves room for them to side with wrongdoing on the whim that it's what most people think. It's the easy and weak option. Conformity. The voice of the majority isn't always right. If only life were that simple.
The communications also suggest they can't release the innocence proving evidence due to legality. This does make me sympathise with their decision more, because it shows they understand the publics perception - based on the recordings alone, the public have strong evidence to believe MG is guilty. By keeping MG at the club, the hierarchy would essentially be saying to the fans ' we can't release the innocence proving evidence, you'll just have to trust us that he's innocent', blind faith is also problematic.
I wonder if MG and his girlfriend thought about whether releasing the innocence proving evidence to the public would be worth it to influence a decision. Probably thought some would still doubt it or that it would be too embarrassing.
Odd and dumb question, is Greenwood essentially going on loan or is it an official release? I assumed release but never know. Just vague wording of rebuilding away from the club, doesn't mean he's gone for good
I am 99.9% sure he is hopefully gone for good but wanted to check I am just reading too much into it
I am 99.9% sure he is hopefully gone for good but wanted to check I am just reading too much into it
What? That was just the other day and I replied to you then as well. Not sure what you mean by that. In terms of the accusations, I'm literally referring to this from the post I quoted:
"The fact people are acting like their sense of responsibility ends at him leaving United says all we need to know about what peoples real motivations are here. He’s still with the same GF this all centres around, but ah well we can tell rival fans we stood for something. . ."