People will see when Greenwood goes abroad & moves back to England eventually that all these journos were playing United fans like a fiddle.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
No. They decided that there was no longer a realistic chance of conviction due to a key witness withdrawing and the existence of new evidence.
Which indicates that had it gone to court, a jury would not have convicted him.
Out of interest, had it gone to court and Greenwood had been found not guilty, would you have changed your opinion? Sometimes I wonder if it might have been better for him to have his day in court but then I'm not convinced it would have changed many minds anyway.
I wonder how it's going to play out for Antony.
Club has pretty much just folded an asset they valued at +£100M. Now they have a similar situation with a player they paid £80m for a year ago.
They literally did not. Saying that there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction means that they don't think they would be able to prove the accusations beyond reasonable doubt, which is a very high bar and wildly different from saying that the accusations aren't true. It's so extremely different that it's very hard to believe you're not lying by saying that this is your understanding. It's a crazy interpretation.
A very likely possibility is that this new material is the withdrawal of witness statements, and/or recanting.
It’s like refereeing decisions. Contradicting will continue regardless. Antony could potentially be next and I’m sure his situation won’t have the same precedent as Greenwood.
It was very ad hoc and in 10 years time I’m sure a lot of apologies and rehashing will be done.
Maybe I'm too cynical, but if the club say they don't expect to do something, I don't believe them. Too ambiguous.
Even if true, which is open to alot of question, then surely this is better than not listening once the feelers were put out for such a decision.
Agreed. United were in a no win situation.
Make a quick decision - be accused of knee jerking.
Take a long time to make a decision - indecisive. Reinstate the player - morally wrong, but the player has not been charged or appeared in court.
Sack the player - face the risk of being sued, as the player has not been charged or appeared in court.
In my view, Richard Arnold has played it right. Enabled a situation where suggestions of the player's return appear in the media. Wait to see what public opinion is, so that the player is aware of how difficult a return will be. He is then able to agree a departure "by mutual consent" thereby making a decision in keeping with public opinion and avoiding the club being sued for "unfair dismissal".
You might end up looking silly. I wouldn’t bet your mortgage on it mate. I’ll mention him again but Suarez ended up playing for Barcelona.
Hoijlund is his replacement and your response is about how it affects the team and your hopes for how well it does rather than the events that led to it, which are far more important
Can’t blame you that you took me mentioning all 5 City fans seriously. I wasn’t serious. But no, Mendy wouldn’t create much noise. But if it was Foden for example the noise would be there. Media pressure would still be much less than at United.
Jaysus
No he's wout's replacement who was Ronaldo's replacement. We've always been short a forward, because the club planned on his return.
I am not going to be critical of the club here. The only person at fault is Greenwood.
Exactly. You can’t let the media set the narrative here.
United have imposed a sanction on themselves because of a journalist, no other club has ever been asked to do such a thing.
I actually wouldn’t have a problem with what commenced today & Antony following if found in any way culpable if I had seen examples of other clubs being held to anywhere near this standard previously. The fact he can play anywhere else but United & that is seen as a good solution makes no sense to me.
I'd rather look silly than believe that any club with a shred of reputation would let this PR nightmare play for them. Time will tell.
The clubs statement about Greenwood not committing the crimes, but then getting rid of him is pathetic.
Are we going to do this every-time there’s any sort of accusation made?
Are we going to do this every-time there’s any sort of accusation made?
It’ll only depend on public reaction to Antony. Nothing else.
If Adam Crafter turns his attention to Antony now and Rachel Riley publicly declares that she’ll stop following the club if Antony isn’t released - they’ll release / suspend him.
But they won’t, and thus the club will do nothing and Antony will simply carry on playing as if nothing is going on.
You can reserve the right to do so, but it's also somewhat irresponsible to attempt outrage farming over something that is addressed in the same article.
Either way, it seems as though public reaction made him continue with United untenable - it's not as if said public will welcome him with open arms in 12 months time. The sun exploding is also a possibility, but it's not something most people wake up in a cold sweat worried about.
Absolutely delighted that Greenwood will play no further part at Manchester United. For those of you screaming he was found innocent, well there is a big difference in going to trial and being found innocent by a jury of your peers and having the case dropped. One means you have been found innocent of the crimes you have been accused of and the other is basically we don’t know if you are innocent or guilty.
Personally ever since I heard that video recording I have been disgusted by him and for me that is enough to prove he’s a horrible human being regardless of a trial outcome. Hopefully he has learned from that experience and is working on bettering himself, I am just glad it won’t be at United.
Personally ever since I heard that video recording I have been disgusted by him and for me that is enough to prove he’s a horrible human being regardless of a trial outcome. Hopefully he has learned from that experience and is working on bettering himself, I am just glad it won’t be at United.
Jaysus indeed.Jaysus
Well if Antony is charged, then they will have to drop him also.
Will the Man Utd police officers Fan group be hanging a banner outside Old Trafford " No violence against our members" with Maguire must go ? The mob rule has started so why stop with Greenwood.
I agree. He did the right move. Now we should get him a loan abroad to up his price. Time to move on, we got a brand new season to concentrate on.
Putting a lie in bold is a brave move.
Antony has said he’ll prove his innocence
I would have preferred that to be honest. A proper, definitive line could have been drawn under it. He could openly welcomed back if innocent, or properly fecked off to outer space if guilty, with no risk of us being sued
Now it's just full of umms and maybes. We can't really sack him, but he can't really be welcomed back into the fold either. Terrible for both club and player.
Im glad I wasnt the only one who thought that
He is ronaldo’s replacement actually
This is a good point. If we assume that the leaked info about his return was deliberate, it may not have been solely for Utd to gauge opinion. They may well have already known but felt the need to demonstrate it to other parties.
Let’s take the emotion out. Do you really think Real Madrid and Barcelona care all the way over in Spain?
Honest answer? I think a move to Barca for instance would be good for him they have just lost Dembele there is space for him on the right and he could easily find his shooting boots over there.
Evans was falsely accused. Too early to make a comment on the Antony situation. Don't really know what's going on there.
And what if the case collapses and all charges are dropped before it even gets to court…?
Pure and simple
Let’s be clear. If the club had said “We have concluded our investigation and decided to release Mason Greenwood” there would be few opposing voices (I accept there would still be a few). The point is that the club has now expressly said that he is innocent. They didn’t need to do that and have obviously done so because they genuinely believe that’s the case. Understandably, that has changed some minds as to the correct approach.
Maybe your third attempt at describing the situation won't be complete and utter horseshit like the first two?
Go on, have another go
Was that proven? Thought the charges were also dropped as with Greenwood. As with RvP also.
Apologies if incorrect, I genuinely always thought that was the deal with both cases.
Difference is Antony saying he’ll prove innocence
And no case is the same
Jonny Evans was accused, police investigated and found no evidence
The difference with MG is there was evidence but it got withdrawn and he isn’t fighting to save his United and international career
Since when did evidence matter. Antony has to been put on garden leave. No Greenwood then no Antony.
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Terrible decision, club's weak as feck for getting swayed by what a bunch of internet [edited] would think about them. Said it before but we just spent 70M on fecking Hojlund who is nowhere near Greenwood skill wise. We're also playing like garbage, our frontline is useless, our only goal scored by fecking Varane so far. More worried about PR than winning and that's the sort of attitude that got us here.
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