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So Vivek has spouted many BS partisan things to gain votes but this revolutionary idea about a civic test in order to vote is not one of them because….?
Obviously because it is a revolutionary idea that will make young people vote more by making the process of voting harder. And then it will be extended to the other groups despite that there are no plans in extending it to other groups.

It will also definitely not target a group who vote overwhelmingly against Vivek's party. In fact, his entire policy is to make that group (who votes against his party) vote more.

I mean, it makes sense, doesn't it?
 

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Obviously because it is a revolutionary idea that will make young people vote more by making the process of voting harder.
Yes, it works the same way with contraception, make it really difficult for teenagers to get, so they think more about the issue and we'll have fewer teenage pregnancies. Infallible.
 

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@iamking Why can't you answer direct questions posed to you specifically & not generate a stream of consciousness wall of verbiage obfuscation?

Here's a couple of mine from earlier...

1. I was accused of an ad hominem attack, could you point such posts out to me?

2. Your polling source regarding vote by mail.

3. How is Vivek 100% better than Biden?

Hope this direct post will help you focus on pithy replies!
 

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I saw some clips from the GOP debate. Did everyone forget about Tim Scott? He was barely present in these summary clips.

Vivek and Christie looked "lively". DeSantis meh.
 

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I saw some clips from the GOP debate. Did everyone forget about Tim Scott? He was barely present in these summary clips.

Vivek and Christie looked "lively". DeSantis meh.
Scott had the 3rd least talking time. Only Doug B (who was likely high on pain pills) and Asa H had less.
 

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These "Jim Crow Laws" as many are ridiculously spouting here is currently mandated to close to a million immigrants each year in order to gain voting rights in US. Is it voter suppression then? Wow.. Common guys have some sense of realism.. I don't have all the time in the world to waste it on educating kids here in the cafe.
It is not voter suppression because they are not yet citizens and therefore do not have voting rights.
 

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Gov. Ron DeSantis jeered as Jacksonville community calls for action in wake of hate crime


Show up at the vigil like he hasn't spent all year appeasing to white supremacists with his anti "woke" nonsense. Like he didn't just spend weeks defending racist curriculum changes in his state. Firing black DAs that were elected by the people. Sure lets roll in and get some campaign pics with these black people.
Honestly, he deserved at least a box full (a dozen) of eggs in the face just for showing up after all the crap he has said and done for over a year.
 

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These "Jim Crow Laws" as many are ridiculously spouting here is currently mandated to close to a million immigrants each year in order to gain voting rights in US. Is it voter suppression then? Wow.. Common guys have some sense of realism.. I don't have all the time in the world to waste it on educating kids here in the cafe.

The tests immigrants have to take is meant as an barrier to entry, yes, obviously. It's not meant as an initiative to make more immigrants eligible for citizenship. It's not voter suppression, because they're not citizens.

I linked you to a specific literacy test from 1965. It used the exact same type of questions that the civic test for immigrants does, which is the exact same type of question that you and Vivek want to target young people with. The 1965 one was obviously meant to depress turnout, while yours is supposed to increase it, which is interesting because they're the same thing. This is hard for you to square, so you continiously deflect. If you, unlike Vivek, are actually being honest here, it's likely because you don't know anything about voter suppression. You do know, however, that Jim Crow was bad. Very bad! Therefore the 1965 test is bad, because Jim Crow, but Vivek's test is still good because it's Vivek's test, even though they are identical. The only difference between these two tests is that the 1965 was given to primarily black people, while this revolutionary one will be given to young people.

I also have to say that I really enjoy your performance in here. It's bad, really low quality, but it's entertaining. You keep crying about "ad hominems", completely misusing the term because you're confusing insults with a very particular form of argument, while simultaneously calling people kids in every other comment. To be clear, your insults are not "ad hominems" either, but you think they are and you're fine with it.
 

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The tests immigrants have to take is meant as an barrier to entry, yes, obviously. It's not meant as an initiative to make more immigrants eligible for citizenship. It's not voter suppression, because they're not citizens.

I linked you to a specific literacy test from 1965. It used the exact same type of questions that the civic test for immigrants does, which is the exact same type of question that you and Vivek want to target young people with. The 1965 one was obviously meant to depress turnout, while yours is supposed to increase it, which is interesting because they're the same thing. This is hard for you to square, so you continiously deflect. If you, unlike Vivek, are actually being honest here, it's likely because you don't know anything about voter suppression. You do know, however, that Jim Crow was bad. Very bad! Therefore the 1965 test is bad, because Jim Crow, but Vivek's test is still good because it's Vivek's test, even though they are identical. The only difference between these two tests is that the 1965 was given to primarily black people, while this revolutionary one will be given to young people.

I also have to say that I really enjoy your performance in here. It's bad, really low quality, but it's entertaining. You keep crying about "ad hominems", completely misusing the term because you're confusing insults with a very particular form of argument, while simultaneously calling people kids in every other comment. To be clear, your insults are not "ad hominems" either, but you think they are and you're fine with it.
Took me a long while, but I finally figured out what your username meant.

Totally forgot that the other Soph even existed.
 

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Took me a long while, but I finally figured out what your username meant.

Totally forgot that the other Soph even existed.
I think most people forgot after 2019/2020, I just happened to make my account at the worst possible time.
 

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This is hilarious. After prying Russia and China apart, Vivek is going to export the 2nd amendment to Taiwan. "Put a gun on every Taiwanese household, that's how you deter China."
 

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No need for so much anger. I hope I have answered you satisfactorily on the VP election ratification. As for election interference through media its an American thing, not something partisan. Russia and Trump collusion 2016, Big Tech firms censoring Hunter Biden news on their platforms 2020. There are also claims of active interference from China and the list will keep growing. So if you think the election interference is raised as a concern only amongst the Republican base to win their votes that's pretty myopic. If Trump wins again, I am certain majority of the democrats will jump out shouting election interference, voting suppression and collusion. Its happening because its not beyond reason that bad faith actors can influence US elections and this should be ironed out prior to the next election. I would like to hear more from presidential candidates talk about restoring faith in elections (no matter who wins).
Nothing of what you said has anything to do with Jan. 6, Trump's repeated nonsense about a stolen election, or anything that happened after with Trump wanting Pence to not certify the election. Trump and his allies' rhetoric was all based on debunked BS about Democrats stuffing ballot boxes, Democrats having the same person vote multiple times and actually rigging the election. Nothing about Jan. 6 and the preceding and following events had anything to do with social media or "Big Tech".

The only people that don't have faith in elections are the cohort of Trump supporters (mostly over the age of 25 btw) who are completely misinformed because they get all their information through far-right propaganda channels.
 

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This is hilarious. After prying Russia and China apart, Vivek is going to export the 2nd amendment to Taiwan. "Put a gun on every Taiwanese household, that's how you deter China."
This guy seems to essentially be Trump, but can actually speak fluently.

His foreign policy is totally nuts.
 

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2024 would be strangely for the first time iny life that I dont have favorite for POTUS. I know it's none of my country but being US, the POTUS actually effects the whole world, including Indonesia.
Hoenstly, any sane person that wants the nutjobs in the Republican party to win deserves it when the world goes to shit.
 

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2024 would be strangely for the first time iny life that I dont have favorite for POTUS. I know it's none of my country but being US, the POTUS actually effects the whole world, including Indonesia.
Putting fairly sensible, but admittedly old Joe Biden and the same level of desirability as the clown show on the Republican is insane.

I’d want a Democrat in the White House for the grown up approach to climate change alone.
 

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Hoenstly, any sane person that wants the nutjobs in the Republican party to win deserves it when the world goes to shit.
I'm saying that it's something that the Democrats has no one better than Biden to offer.

In the past they have like literally good likeable names : Clinton, Al Gore (more like I don't like Bush), John Kerry, I even like Hillary as I think she's old school and at least can bear some sense of order


Putting fairly sensible, but admittedly old Joe Biden and the same level of desirability as the clown show on the Republican is insane.

I’d want a Democrat in the White House for the grown up approach to climate change alone.
Joe Bidden is so bad in my eyes I find it even hard to root for him, even if he's up against Trump. The man is too old for office it beggars belief who actually run the shows.
 

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I'm saying that it's something that the Democrats has no one better than Biden to offer.

In the past they have like literally good likeable names : Clinton, Al Gore (more like I don't like Bush), John Kerry, I even like Hillary as I think she's old school and at least can bear some sense of order




Joe Bidden is so bad in my eyes I find it even hard to root for him, even if he's up against Trump. The man is too old for office it beggars belief who actually run the shows.
Other than republican talking points, what it is about the Presidency of Joe Biden you don't like? The excellent economy? The well-played approach to Ukraine? The largest green piece of legislation in US history?

But I think he stammereda few times, so he's just as bad as the guy literally trying to turn the states anti-democratic.
 

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I'm saying that it's something that the Democrats has no one better than Biden to offer.

In the past they have like literally good likeable names : Clinton, Al Gore (more like I don't like Bush), John Kerry, I even like Hillary as I think she's old school and at least can bear some sense of order




Joe Bidden is so bad in my eyes I find it even hard to root for him, even if he's up against Trump. The man is too old for office it beggars belief who actually run the shows.
Does it matter when the alternative will try to turn the US into an autocracy and say feck you to the world? Indonesia will be impacted by climate change as they keep fecking the world up, but I guess that doesn't matter as Biden is too old. I hope you don't live near a beach..
 

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Joe Bidden is so bad in my eyes I find it even hard to root for him, even if he's up against Trump. The man is too old for office it beggars belief who actually run the shows.
He’s marginally older than the front runner on the Republican side. And so what if he doesn’t run the show? Do you like the policies or not?

This is a false equivalency of epic proportions. One side is fine with stealing an election, handing Ukraine to Russia and burning down the planet. The other is just not very exciting and the candidate is old.
 

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2024 would be strangely for the first time iny life that I dont have favorite for POTUS. I know it's none of my country but being US, the POTUS actually effects the whole world, including Indonesia.
Not a fan of Biden but anyone trying to draw false equivalency between Biden and a party that has gone off the rails is being dishonest.
 

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Ah I see Sky has had one of his episodes and drawn you all in. This happens occasionally.
 

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Hoenstly, any sane person that wants the nutjobs in the Republican party to win deserves it when the world goes to shit.
I don’t like Democrats much nowadays, and Biden is a zombie but the worst Democrat is miles better than the best Republican (I guess that would be Christie).
 

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I'm saying that it's something that the Democrats has no one better than Biden to offer.

In the past they have like literally good likeable names : Clinton, Al Gore (more like I don't like Bush), John Kerry, I even like Hillary as I think she's old school and at least can bear some sense of order




Joe Bidden is so bad in my eyes I find it even hard to root for him, even if he's up against Trump. The man is too old for office it beggars belief who actually run the shows.
Why is Biden 'so bad?'
 

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It wasnt that he's bad. I just cant seem to understand that this is the best the Democrats can come up with.

And yes i know whoever it is better than Trump. But compared to Obama, Clinton, Hilary which i personally root for.
They were never going to change horses midstream especially after his multiple legislative wins in 2022.
 

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A- based on 538, but it has some Republican bias.

Still too early for polls to have much relevance but also a bit worrying how well Trump is doing.
It’s not just ‘some’. In every close statewide or national races between the two parties, they’ve consistently overrated the Republican candidate by an average of 3.5 percentage point, that should be a major red flag regardless of the fact that those polls still fell within the margin of error, hence the rating.