But what about the precise millisecond that the pass is made. We are all focussing on just one half of the offside.
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Actually that’s wrong. Last season they made mistake with the lines and had to apologise after a game (google will bring it up), they are manually input with tech assistance.
20 years ago my dad paused a TV show and at a particular moment where both Judy Finegan and Denise Van Outen were on screen together and he said that he reckoned Judy's tits were bigger.
20 years later this is fundamentally technology basis of how calls are made in the Premier League with fans falling over themselves to laud the technology as infallible.
20 years later this is fundamentally technology basis of how calls are made in the Premier League with fans falling over themselves to laud the technology as infallible.
This is what I hate about a call like this:
It's not that the call is wrong according to the rules. It's correct. It's that before VAR, the rules were never enforced, or meant to be enforced, in such a literal, inflexible, boring way.
Rice’s goal wasn’t a corner, it was simply hoofed out of play. Certainly zero benefit of doubt in Garnacho’s goal, an incredibly close decision.
Okay I thought they used the new system in Champions League. Maybe it’s new this season then?
Preach.
It’s not that United haven’t benefited from this nonsense before, it’s such a ridiculous application of VAR. If you pause it and it’s obvious to the naked eye that there’s an offside then fine, but exactly what unfair advantage does the attacking player have here?!
Dunno if manipulated image or not... found it on reddit.
Miles offside. Thank feck VAR has saved us from these injustices
Hi Mike Dean…here’s an idea, see the defender there. His legs are in line with one and other. Do that, lean forward and try your hardest to get your shoulder in front of your head without pulling your head right back. Genius.
After 4 games this year we can clearly see that there is no change in how rules are applied. We are treated differently and evidence is there for everyone.
I have no idea why our club keep accepting this. Year after year. Why don’t we go out with official complaint? Why don’t we talk about this every press conference?
I have no idea why our club keep accepting this. Year after year. Why don’t we go out with official complaint? Why don’t we talk about this every press conference?
Ten hag is too nice to the officials. Klopp has given himself hernias over less than this game alone.
Looks onside to me... but hey who cares? We need Arsenal to pick up the points so they can dance around like they've won the league.
Is it even possible to run forward while leaning backwards?
Maybe the rule should be that lines are drawn from the most advanced foot, rather than any part of the body?
Like is there any real advantage gained from "leaning" in such a way? The advantage is gained if you're "standing" in an offside position surely?
Like Garnacho's shoulder was offside when going through? So what. He's running forward, how else is he supposed to run? Not only in this instance, but I think a rule change like that would remove all those ridiculous, BS decisions with armpits being offside.
Maybe the rule should be that lines are drawn from the most advanced foot, rather than any part of the body?
Like is there any real advantage gained from "leaning" in such a way? The advantage is gained if you're "standing" in an offside position surely?
Like Garnacho's shoulder was offside when going through? So what. He's running forward, how else is he supposed to run? Not only in this instance, but I think a rule change like that would remove all those ridiculous, BS decisions with armpits being offside.
Any replay of the challenge on Hojlund in the box?
You try doing the same thing. In fact do it in front of a wall so you can test it. This time, actually turn your torso in the same manner the defender has so that one shoulder is ahead of the other. If at that point you can't get your shoulder to touch the wall before your head, you need to either see a doctor or get broader shoulders.
That has to be done by eye. They can move each frame and pick the one where the ball appears to start moving forward.
The next step is to go heavy meta with this and have VAR/video refs checking the video refs as they make their decisions in their labs or wherever it is they do it.
How the feck is that offside?
And since when is holding back and blocking a player allowed? Rice's goal shouldn't have stood.
And since when is holding back and blocking a player allowed? Rice's goal shouldn't have stood.
I'm not one to go mental about decisions but today was fecking hilarious 
There is a margin of error though. If the red line and blue line had been overlapping it would've been given onside.
That’s not a margin for error. Being level is onside, that’s the fecking rules.
Yes it is, because the lines have a thickness of a few centimetres (five I think). So no need for the snarkiness mate.
Can't believe we didn't even see a single replay. Really looked like he was barged off the ball, allowing his teammate to get the ball (so not a case of "winning the ball", really.
It's like when Soucek was concussed by the Brighton keeper's punch, not a single replay despite the incident being followed by a 3+ minute delay.
The people directing the footage have a large say in the post-game talking points which makes the game feel a lot like WWE these days.
We’ve been shafted today. The media will sweep this under the carpet though of course
I know a picture always looks worse but his position and actions says a lot in that one. He was playing the man not the ball
https://azzz.org/watch/close-up-penalty-call-87-039-hojlund_o6ZlgFK2LulC388.html
Looks a clear pen to me the way he had his arm around him and pulled him back so the other defender could get there first.
Looks a clear pen to me the way he had his arm around him and pulled him back so the other defender could get there first.
"Hojlund's got a hold of his left arm there", says former pro ref Mike Dean. Gabriel's fecking put the left arm out in front of him to stop him getting ahead of him, is Hojlund just supposed to stop and say "ah there's an arm there I have to stop now".
If someone trips someone else, is Mike Dean going to say "well he's kicked the defenders foot there" as a reason to not deem it a foul?
These pundits and their reasons for backing the on-field decisions are getting more daft by the day.
His head was the furthest point forward. How have they chosen an angle and put the line on his shoulder?
It was the same in the game Ronaldo was with us for against them.I'm not one to go mental about decisions but today was fecking hilarious
I was at the game and hadn't realised, but got back later and saw we'd been massively harshly dealt with.
Mike Dean always sounds so wrong with that horrible northern accent.
That’s a pen no doubt. Gabriel literally holds his arm around Højlund’s waist and drags him down.
There is no way on this planet we have the technology to accurately make a decision on the offside today. It's well within the margin of error of the current tech.
Fair play for overuling the penalty though nice to see VAR actually work every once in a while.
Fair play for overuling the penalty though nice to see VAR actually work every once in a while.
That’s exactly it. Being centimetres apart in the centre circle is not an advantage. It’s the defence playing a risky high line and being punished for it.
Bit of a weird thing to say, considering some of us are actually from Manchester, which is north west England.
This place is starting to turn into RAWK.
If you took that still image and anonymised it so you couldn't identify the teams involved, and showed it to people a few years ago prior to VAR and showed it as an example of the types of goals that this new "technology" would rule out, not one fecking person would have gone for it. Even those running around now lauding it as a great call because they've invested so much championing it for a few seasons now.
Not one.
Yet here we are.
Not one.
Yet here we are.