This won’t happen. The logic being that it may discourage victims to not come forward.
Antony under investigation by Brazilian authorities for domestic abuse | Back in the squad
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But only in the case where she is proven to have lied. I agree if the case is dropped due to lack of evidence it's a different case but if a person is proven to lie about these cases they should face the same punishment as the person accused would have.
Antony just gave an interview saying the fake breast was already butted, it need changing and that he never hit her, I'll lean towards Antony until proven otherwise.
It can go back & forth for years, depending on how the police see the case. Whether it's criminal or not.
Insane, didn't think he'd be this much of a weirdo. That being said, I'm happy we (Ajax) sold him right on time. It's hard to imagine how things would be if we also had this guy involved in the shitstorm we're currently facing.
Yeah I figured it’s either dismissed for insufficient evidence or if it proceeds to go to court it could take a while before it’s resolved.
Why lean either way?
I haven’t decided anything. I don’t know enough about it. I do, however, believe in forgiveness and second chances. If he did do something bad (not enough for the victim to still be annoyed) then I think it acts as a good wake up call and, with the help of those around him, he will become a better man. Being punished by ruining his life would more likely lead to reoffending than being given a platform to improve.
You don’t know anything about me or what I know. Going from your messages, you probably haven’t been in a serious relationship and base your experience off “research”, but all relationships are difficult to end. Not everyone sees the same things as important. Cheating, violence, manipulation, laziness etc. Using the “domestic violence victims find it hard to end the relationship” line is a very lazy one; they don’t go back because of the violence; they go back because they see more good than bad. And some humans on the outside need to learn to do the same. Too much negativity from too many people who don’t know enough.
I know we've discussed background checks but there are times I do feel that if United did know that Antony's a dodgy character (not necessarily DV/assault), we'd have still gone ahead and signed him. We did sign back Ronaldo after all, knowing what he's done.
That's a fair reason.
It would set us on a dangerous path in sexual assault/rape/domestic abuse cases where not guilty automatically means the victim becomes a liar because the courts couldn't prove guilt.
You ought to stop talking about a topic you really don’t know anything about. Many victims of domestic abuse return to their abuser because during said abuse, they destroyed the victims support structure, isolated them from everything else in their lives, and created a sense of dependency that victims can’t shake and emd up feeling they need their abuser for survival. Of course that’s not always the case but you really need to stop peddling it as a reason why things must be ok.
I do too believe people deserve second chances. But not sure why you think his life is being destroyed. He’s still playing professional football in a top league. He shouldn’t play for us ever again, though.
I think many on this forum are already on this path going by a couple of recent threads.
Did you ask the same question to people who want him suspended based on accusations?
Not all. I'm a bit busy. I've said nobody should be suspended on mere allegations. Is that enough for you?
I just don't like the use of certain language towards alleged victims. Sorry if that offends you.
Do you interrogate in all directions?
Edit - no need to answer, your posts and warnings on Greenwood are not exactly balanced or sympathetic to the formerly alleged victim there either. You're quite the charmer.
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I hope his wife takes him to the cleaner
OK, you posted as if them being back together meant Wibble should move on. I assumed that's what you thought.
You also don't know if she's still annoyed or not. Life is not that black and white. Couples have broken up years after what would appear much smaller differences.
And I'm happy you can forgive him. Whatever you are basing is on or it means in the grand scheme of things. Why does it bother you that others haven't arrive at forgiveness?
I do actually think that's unfair. I'm not saying there's no correlation, but I've known plenty of people who turn into Vinnie Jones on the football pitch during meaningless 5-a-side games, but are some of the calmest and kindest people I know in their every day life.
Antony is obviously an arsehole both on and off the pitch, by his own admission in terms of the adultery. The former I don't actually mind, we've lacked players with fight and probably need a bit more of that from a few others, but I digress... However, it's a leap to say that because he's fiery on the pitch then he obviously beats up the women he dates.
Keane had some moments of terrible rage on the pitch, and a fair few heated exchanges off of it too, but in his family life he seems to be a caring husband and father, so it's dangerous to make these assumptions.
The relationship between Antony and the ex accusing him of these things was obviously very toxic. They were both very young, and neither of them sound very mature or rational. I wouldn't be surprised if both of them actually believe their version of events is the correct one, and that actually both of them are telling the truth. I'm still going to wait and see what the authorities make of it after looking at any evidence they're provided though.
Having worked directly with numerous domestic abuse victims, I can confidently say that 99% of perpetrators claim that their actions were part of self-defence or aimed at trying to 'calm' the situation down. Antony's video response has certainly made it worse for him as it just reaffirms the common male response in such a situation.
I didn’t say that.
There are about 4 threads with 100000s of posts on this. We could ask every poster the same question.
Every relationship has its difficulties, of course. We learn from our mistakes and become better people; but that can only happen with forgiveness rather than punishment. The UK and the USA focus too much attention on punishment and discard of people far too quickly. They could learn from other countries and how they help people become better humans by offering them the tools they need to do so. Nobody wants to be bad.
And yes, I did mean that Wibble should move on.
Ok so you used the word ruining rather than destroying. But hey, obviously let’s just get stuck on semantics, rather than actually reply to the core content of the post. But we all know what you’ve done that.
That's 4 now? Seriously i mean he hasn't ended up with four crazy aggressive women.
I honestly cannot believe the club have not suspended him and by the looks of it don't seem to have any intention of doing so
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great post
I said “ruining his life would more likely…”.
Forget the semantics and think about the grammar. I didn’t say anyone was ruining or destroying his life. I said it would (hypothetical). I’d have used will if I thought that was what was happening.
And what exactly is the truth?
however, as someone who had relationship with a borderline personality person, what he's described matched awfully close with my experience.
If it's a case where the accuser is found to be clearly lying and fabricating the story, then I wouldn't have any issue with this. Like if the person accused can prove what happened, or that they weren't even with the person when the allegations took place, CCTV or whatever.. Then I don't see why that person (man, woman, whoever) shouldn't face the full weight of the consequences of their lying.
If the case is less clear cut, there's a lack of evidence etc.. then obviously that's a completely different story. Last thing you want to do is discourage assault victims. But the law shouldn't be leaning in any direction. If a person is found to be clearly lying for personal gain / reputational damage of another individual, then that person deserves to have the book thrown at them.
In that case, the law is not making it harder for other abuse victims to come forward, its the lying person basically spitting in the faces of all abused people out there that makes it harder for them.
Did she? Where have you seen that?
An irrelevant point, unless you thought it was happening. And yes still ignored the rest of the first post. Still waiting. Suspect I will be waiting for a while.
So he did an interview with the Brazilian equivalent of TMZ... Claims that one of the women fell in the bathroom and injured her breast that way. Isn't this the abuser's version of "the dog ate my homework"?
Why? He’d likely cheat on his wife with the cleaner
No it’s not. Some people wanted him ruined. They wanted him locked up, or at least thrown out of football.
There was no “rest of the post” as far as I saw. You just posted incorrect about semantics because you didn’t understand the difference between a real and a hypothetical sentence.
If he has the proof then fair enough. He’s digging an incredible hole for himself if he doesn’t
You have to resist the temptation to think like that. An example would ironically be Greenwood, who on the pitch was usually so calm to the point of appearing timid, and look what he did in that video. What you see in public cannot be used to assess what the person does in private, whether it's good or bad.
I made the wild assumption that having his kid and agreeing to marry him 18 months after supposed incident is an indication of forgiveness and willingness to move on.
People are mostly connecting his on pitch aggression with him probably being a domestic abuser.
Fact:
First of all, there no basis at all to relate these 2 points, a lot of counter examples to prove that on pitch aggression != abusive nature at home.
Speculation:
Regarding his claims, this is turning into the amber heard Johnny depp saga were it an abusive relationship at core , and from both sides.
Like the example, it’ll be tried in the court of public opinion as there is not any hard evidence being released, story/ narrative/ perception game on both sides. We can never know what’s the real truth, because it’s completely contradicting set of stories.
A message to muppets:
Some of the reaction in groups seem to be fuelled by people feeling Antony is a bad player for united.
I agree with that myself, but we shouldn’t let that bias come into picture someone’s life is on the line.
Fact:
First of all, there no basis at all to relate these 2 points, a lot of counter examples to prove that on pitch aggression != abusive nature at home.
Speculation:
Regarding his claims, this is turning into the amber heard Johnny depp saga were it an abusive relationship at core , and from both sides.
Like the example, it’ll be tried in the court of public opinion as there is not any hard evidence being released, story/ narrative/ perception game on both sides. We can never know what’s the real truth, because it’s completely contradicting set of stories.
A message to muppets:
Some of the reaction in groups seem to be fuelled by people feeling Antony is a bad player for united.
I agree with that myself, but we shouldn’t let that bias come into picture someone’s life is on the line.
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I’m starting to believe Antony is landing himself into deeper waters with that interview. Easier to control the narrative when telling the story but not when you’re defending punches. It’s one of those moments silence does a whole good and take the bruises.
Oh boy.. Let’s say he is innocent, in what world does he come out of this with his reputation intact. He was present at all those instances but just took different actions to what he is being accused.
I’m of the suspicion the club okayed this interview because they want to shift the matter away from the club. This is what happens when one doesn’t trust the club one supports.
Oh boy.. Let’s say he is innocent, in what world does he come out of this with his reputation intact. He was present at all those instances but just took different actions to what he is being accused.
I’m of the suspicion the club okayed this interview because they want to shift the matter away from the club. This is what happens when one doesn’t trust the club one supports.
Let us be absolutely clear about one thing: Antony was not -and neither was Greenwood for that matter- 'accused of wrongdoing by a social media mob'.
He was accused of assault by three specific women, via radio/TV/newspaper media interviews and to the police.
This is already a very complicated discussion, at least not get the most basic facts wrong from the beginning.
It could go on weeks or months before he is even charged if he is arrested and bailed. I'm surprised he hasn't even been questioned yet? Unless I missed it, which hints to me this isn't perhaps as obvious as the interviews are lead to believed. If there is enough evidence to back up the claims then I can't see why he hasn't been brought in yet.