Antony under investigation by Brazilian authorities for domestic abuse | Back in the squad

[FerociousCorgis]

glad to see him back. Completely different than the greenwood situation.

 

[Solius]

Pellestri offers better balance, the right sided player who doesn't always have to cut inside. Antony only has one shot (cut inside, aim for other corner), he has no pace, power, cannot go outside. No crosses. No goals. No assists, no consistent supply line of chances at all.

Might have to get myself checked for a brain tumour cause I could've sworn I've seen both goals and assists from the player but apparently there's none.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

Pellestri offers better balance, the right sided player who doesn't always have to cut inside. Antony only has one shot (cut inside, aim for other corner), he has no pace, power, cannot go outside. No crosses. No goals. No assists, no consistent supply line of chances at all.

Why do we want players like this in the team? For what? You think they can take us onto the next level?

Man City have bought this guy Doku, who has shown more in a few games, then what I have seen in Antony in a whole year.

Salah. Saka. Kulasevski. Sane at Bayern. Mahrez in Saudi. All left footed players, playing from the right, and they are so, so, so far ahead of Antony it's unreal. Yet some of us want Antony in the team. I simply, simply do not understand it. Just because we buy a player, it doesn't mean, he has to be a good signing. Sometimes signings do not work out, that's the nature of a big team, it happens. The key is to recognise, early, and move on.

We can't keep playing and accepting poor players at Man Utd. Not so long ago, this would never have happened.

idk i havent been all that impressed with pell on the right. Dude mainly looks out of control with the ball, and too slow/inefficient trying to score from positions where you swear it is harder to not score than to score. His directness has been nice to see, and glad he has a good work rate at least. Still would like to see antony a bit with an actual CF making runs and giving forward options before i judge him fully. Swear though the dude needs to stop going for far post the one time i saw him go near post he scored.

 

[Beachryan]

Good. The best outcome for us is that he cooperates fully with the authorities (he has) and said authorities determine he has no charge to face (we'll see).

Judging a player before the relevant authorities can is a recipe for disaster imo.

Will that stop the media from absolutely hammering him? Absolutely not.

 

[SAFMUTD]

Great news, innocent until proven otherwise just how it should be.

 

[Toshey]

Jeffthered, you seem to have personal issue with Antony.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Ambivalent feelings on this. It shines a light on the Greenwood situation that makes me uncomfortable. I want the player back because I think he's better than Pellistri, but if he really is guilty of what he's accused of, that's a matter for the police. And we all know some legends of the game were guilty of spousal violence. So the police need to step it up.

 

[DJ_21]

I hope him coming back doesn’t affect the game time of Pellistri, he’s been quality for us in the few games he’s played.

 

[USREDEVIL]

Jeffthered, you seem to have personal issue with Antony.

He's got some truth in there. Antony is pretty limited. We like him because he puts in a shift in the midfield, but ideally we'd have a much more prolific winger. And at United, you should expect to have that.

 

[ThinkTank@Cafe]

Antony is a good tool to have. In a functioning team the Brazilian can be extremely dangerous. He is a proper worker and have skills. But unfortunately Antony has another side: he extremely one footed and lacks football IQ. Thus, he relies on the team a lot. If: 1. the team have a target man at whom he can ping/cross balls 2. team creates a channel for him to run and shoot (yeah big ifs I know) - he is 100m player.

 

[LordSpud]

Prayers for Pellistri. I reckon he would be a great RW if given some time

 

[el3mel]

We pretty much did.

Nope.

 

[groovyalbert]

In a case like this, can the club legally suspend a player if they're not charged following initial investigation?

 

[Anustart89]

In a case like this, can the club legally suspend a player if they're not charged following initial investigation?

Probably not, which is why it was specified as a mutually agreed leave of absence and not a suspension.

 

[9 Stone Elvis]

We really need to get to the bottom of why people draw comparisons between police investigating someone for attempted rape and the police not currently investigating allegations of assault.

The desire to conflate the Greenwood and Antony situations, despite being vastly different, must be based on something and I'm not sure we've got to the bottom of what.

I think the comparison is perfectly logical on a very superficial level on the basis of them both playing for Man Utd and both appearing to be attacking women. It would be churlish not acknowledge that the causal observer will simply say "here we go again".

The two cases ARE very different as things stand but I dont know either player personally so in terms of their character I cant comment. The evidence against Greenwood was there for all to see, some evidence at least, and I think thats what prompted the club to act. As it stands I see no reason why Anotony cannot resume playing until something comes along that may force the issue.

 

[Gandalf Greyhame]

This feels uneasy, like having VAR review a goal you're still celebrating. I wish he was completely cleared before he was back, because the multiple accusations (down to two from three, sure, but two is two greater than none) are the smoke that tell you there's a fire somewhere.

That said, this is the not the same as the Greenwood situation, there's no indisputable evidence of any wrongdoing, and the player has been vocal and cooperative to prove his innocence. These investigations take time, and we can't keep players out every time there's an accusation otherwise the act of accusation will be used with malicious intent. So the statement makes sense, and it is fair that he's back in the squad.

Hope he can handle abuse he's going to get from oppo fans everywhere (and perhaps a section of our own). You can get away with it an Arsenal shirt, clearly, but not a United one.

 

[DickDastardly]

Easy fix this oppo fans abuse he'll probably get.

Just play him at OT.

End of.

 

[Herschel Krustofsky]

The desire to conflate the Greenwood and Antony situations, despite being vastly different, must be based on something and I'm not sure we've got to the bottom of what.

stupidity and/or laziness.

 

[Red00012]

My main worry is Pellestri will return to the bench again, and we'll say goodbye to that energy and creativity at the RW for the time being.

He’s not that good . A bit of a Dan James

 

[FerociousCorgis]

He’s not that good . A bit of a Dan James

yeah i like his directness but at times he can be a bit jamesish. Hell theres been multiple times where youd think it be impossible not to score yet he finds a way. People would be killing antony for that.

 

[fallengt]

I hope him coming back doesn’t affect the game time of Pellistri, he’s been quality for us in the few games he’s played.

Pellistri' end product is really mediocre

 

[Red00012]

I hope him coming back doesn’t affect the game time of Pellistri, he’s been quality for us in the few games he’s played.

He hasn’t been quality. I’m not sure what you’ve been watching. As poor as Antony been he’s still a lot better than Pellestri is right now

 

[DJ_21]

Pellistri' end product is really mediocre

As an oppose to who? Antony? He can’t dribble past defenders. Pellistri can.

 

[DJ_21]

He hasn’t been quality. I’m not sure what you’ve been watching. As poor as Antony been he’s still a lot better than Pellestri is right now

Against palace he was better than Antony’s played for a while. He helped us score the first goal with his pass to Dalot.

 

[mu4c_20le]

He hasn’t been quality. I’m not sure what you’ve been watching. As poor as Antony been he’s still a lot better than Pellestri is right now

There's really not much between them right now. Pellestri has a different skill set and probably a higher ceiling.

 

[Camilo]

Seems like common sense prevails again.

I really don't get the desire to put someone's career on hold because someone said something. Maybe he's done something wrong, maybe he hasn't. Let the police do their job. If he's guilty he'll be charged.

On a side note, I appreciate the reason why people are named in cases like this, but I also think it's bizarre... I'd assume the police would have the power to decide whether naming a suspect in public would be beneficial, but it's just the press having a field day.

 

[lex talionis]

Pellistri' end product is really mediocre

Compared to what's on offer from City, Arsenal and Liverpool yes without any question, but he's probably the best option at RW we've got right now, at least based on what we've seen from Antony and Sancho so far.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Seems like common sense prevails again.

No chance. Media journos and Rachel Riley will start soon.

 

[DRJosh]

Threads like these ruin the quality of what is otherwise a decent community of fans.

I'm not enthralled Antony is back but I don't see value in discussing this in an online forum where everyone's first instinct is to react against an opinion they disagree with. Nuanced discussion is a dying art.

 

[Slevs]

I haven't followed up on this case a lot.

Was there any recent info that prompted the return to the squad?

 

[Anustart89]

I haven't followed up on this case a lot.

Was there any recent info that prompted the return to the squad?

He's cooperated with the authorities in Brazil and then went back to Manchester for a formal interview with the Manchester police. With no charge/arrest being made he's done the formal part of defending himself against the accusations which was the reason for the leave of absence.

 

[Dannn411]

Given the circumstances and information available, this was the right thing to do. Simple as that. Never should have been out of the squad in the first place. But from a footballing side of things, I hope Pellistri continues to get chances. He's much more of a winger than Antony is.

 

[calypso]

Given the circumstances and information available, this was the right thing to do. Simple as that. Never should have been out of the squad in the first place. But from a footballing side of things, I hope Pellistri continues to get chances. He's much more of a winger than Antony is.

just thought you might like to know. that Bayern are so desperate for defenders, bo...aeting....my. computer insists on boating...has been training with them....he has been punished for assaulting his girlfriend...not in Germany....but Bayerns sporting director. has said this is a private matter and shouldn't affect whether they sign him.

naturally, this has caused a storm, so it will be interesting to see what they do

 

[TheReligion]

There's really not much between them right now. Pellestri has a different skill set and probably a higher ceiling.

A higher ceiling based on what exactly?

 

[astracrazy]

100% behind EtH with what he said in the press conference, common sense at last. Its a shame the journalist doesn't consider what message false accusations sends to domestic violence victims.

 

[SirScholes]

Prayers for Pellistri. I reckon he would be a great RW if given some time

Personally think he looks average at best

 

[FerociousCorgis]

Personally think he looks average at best

yeah i wanted real bad for him to look great, but swear half the time he is dribbling with the ball he looks out of control/like hes about to lose it at any moment. He was constantly getting in good finishing positions, only to look incredibly weak putting home chances. Think people were just desperate for someone else besides antony, but for right now at least no way should he (pellistri) be the starter for us, regardless of the antony situatio

 

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Is this her lawyer deciding she can’t represent her and the accuser continuing regardless or something? Don’t really get it.

 

[USREDEVIL]

Is this her lawyer deciding she can’t represent her and the accuser continuing regardless or something? Don’t really get it.

I presume the lawyer was trying to first get a criminal case against Antony going, and then take it to civil court for a lawsuit. Probably realized there's not enough evidence for either and bounced.