I was checking the results to see which United player will score in the midweek game. When I saw only Maguire did, I wasn't very surprised actually. How did it even come to this?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I don't think anyone's arguing his footballing ability. He isn't good enough. That's clear.
It's the excessive treatment by media and social media that has now transferred to the stadiums.
Yet no one is having a pop at the real culprit in Trippier, who was massively out of position which led to the dangerous cross.
Maguire is most definitely not at fault but is still picked apart because it's him.
I don't remember exactly how was it in Beckham's case because I don't live in the UK and the access to press was limited back than, but Becks was a tremendous footballer and would of shut any criticism up just by kicking the ball a few times.
In Maguire's case, he is exposed at Man Utd and England and the distance between where he plays and his qualities is so great that it causes laughter and sometimes even hatred (unfairly). Imagine Maguire being finnish and playing for Wolves, would he get this stick? Certainly not.
Not at all. The media is constantly stoking the fires. It should be called out. It is completely culpable in the online abuse Maguire receives.
They should have a pop at Southgate for taking a player who doesn't play regularly and is low on confidence.
The memories of William Wallace flashed before his eyes so he did the right thing: free Scotland, score the own goal.
But of course no one understands this, you have to be an indigo child to know that this own goal wasn't an own goal. It can't be an own goal if you put the ball on purpose.
But of course no one understands this, you have to be an indigo child to know that this own goal wasn't an own goal. It can't be an own goal if you put the ball on purpose.
After Beckham got sent off vs Argentina in 98, the British press were vitriolic towards him. One newspaper led with the headline 'Ten Heroic Lions, One Stupid Boy', another newspaper published a dartboard with Beckham's face: encouraging readers to take out their frustration by throwing darts at his face.
What's the worst criticism that Maguire has got from the media? All I see is pundits like Carragher saying that the treatment towards him borders on bullying.
Sure - he gets jeered at games and has the piss taken out of him on social media, but it's nowhere near on the same level as the abuse Beckham received nation-wide. Are we meant to feel more outraged about Maguire getting ridiculed than Beckham getting abused just because he's not as talented?
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He must have some serious mental strength. The majority of the people abusing him would crumble under a fraction of what he gets.
I personally think I'd be more crushed if after my performances most of the media and half of the fans were making statements about the strength of my 'mental health' and 'supporting' me like a sick child.
The guy has had some shockers, and is no longer suited to playing for either of the (very high profile) teams which are playing him. That's not bullying, it's a core part of elite sport.
Nobody should be abused or derided, but to effectively say "come on, the guy plays so badly so frequently that it's bullying to comment on his performances" I feel is worse than just saying "you had a shocker mate, go play for West Ham".
The guy has had some shockers, and is no longer suited to playing for either of the (very high profile) teams which are playing him. That's not bullying, it's a core part of elite sport.
Nobody should be abused or derided, but to effectively say "come on, the guy plays so badly so frequently that it's bullying to comment on his performances" I feel is worse than just saying "you had a shocker mate, go play for West Ham".
I am aware. I was born and witnessed. I remember the dart boards with Beckhams face from The Sun, the effigies being hung in the stadiums, etc. But everyone knew, regardless, that Beckham was an amazing footballer. It was just hatred and would blow over. Which it did. What Maguire is enduring is outright bullying and harassment with no end in sight; and it looks like his footballing won't be able to do the talking.
It's getting pretty tedious people boring on about Maguire the whole time.
He barely played last year, yet still it goes on.
He barely played last year, yet still it goes on.
The second he disappears to a decent size but releatively low profile Premier league club like Everton or West Ham this nonsense immediately stops.
Being part of United will always draw more scrutiny on all levels.
Harry will just happily collect his wages while sitting on the bench(or being out of the squad entirely) for the next two years(until his ridiculous contract runs out) and that's all he cares about. He doesn't give a feck about mocking, memes, insults, playing time etc.
It's not his fault that Manchester United's recruitment/scouting is a disaster, total shambles.
He accidentally stumbled into a fortune, while being a terrible footballer. Some people truly are born lucky.
It's not his fault that Manchester United's recruitment/scouting is a disaster, total shambles.
He accidentally stumbled into a fortune, while being a terrible footballer. Some people truly are born lucky.
His own stupidity brought this on, not the media or socials..
From his "nothing to prove" to him cupping his ears when he scores against San Marino? He is reaping what he has sewn.
If he's putting in poor performances repeatedly he's going to get criticised repeatedly. You're berating people about being grown ups but any football player with a bit of maturity knows that.
It's just bizarre that there's people who genuinely seem to think bad performances shouldn't be mentioned because it might upset a player.
His so called abuse is no different to the commentary Ronaldo, De Gea, Bailly, Werghorst received. I suppose they're not English so it doesn't matter.
Absolutely, and it hits harder coming from Southgate who had to endure his own period of abuse and mockery after he missed the pen in 96.
These things happened in response to the abuse he was already receiving. He isn’t reaping what he has sown at all. The fact of the matter is he had a target on his back from the day his £80m tag was confirmed.
Apples and oranges, basically.
Beckham was targeted because: a) that one incident (a welcome opportunity to target him, you could say), b) because he was a pretty boy with fancy hair and c) because he played for Manchester United. Furthermore: a) this happened before the social media era, b) he was supported by United fans and c) he was never considered a shite player.
The differences to Maguire's case should be obvious.
Blimey. Guy was clumsy and slow without being aware about what is going on around him. And that is not his fault? Amazing how one extreme (bashing Maguire in every single situation) follows another one (defending him for clear errors).
"Just hatred"
hatred is something that tends to be more long lasting than a bit of ridicule. As another poster has already mentioned, once Maguire moves to a medium sized club, he won't be subjected to anywhere near this level of ridicule. There's no fun in memeimg up a West Ham defender: Tiktok compilations of his mistakes won't receive the same number of views, and eventually fans in stadiums will stop sarcastically cheering him as he's no longer a Man United player.Unfortunately Maguire didn't fancy making the move and dropping from 200k a week to 120k a week, so he's going to have to put up with this sort of treatment until he shows some more ambition and pushes for a move.
I'm aware there are contextual differences. I was responding to the poster's comment that the level of abuse Maguire has received is unprecedented. It's clearly not unprecedented: the vitriol towards Beckham was far worse.
That's kinda debatable, though, ain't it - hence my response.
The degree to which Maguire has been turned into a meme (and the degree to which United fans are fine with this/actively contributing to this) is pretty much unprecedented.
You can't use Beckham to counter/disprove the above - which is why I said: apples and oranges.
Beckham didn't get stick from his own fans. Huge difference.
Nor was Beckham getting mocked for his ability. That can't be nice.
To be fair, I haven't seen/heard the fans at Old Trafford turn on him. When he was warming up vs Wolves the United fans were applauding him and singing his name.
Eh? Please make that make sense.
Sure, Tripper is at fault for the cross coming in, but how can you possibly claim that the guy that booted that cross into his own net is not also at fault?
One of Maguire's major flaws is that he is slow and clumsy when it comes to getting his feet under him and in position, whether it's when receiving or making a pass under pressure, or when it's for a defensive action. And it's that that exact flaw that resulted in him scoring the OG rather than clearing it safely.
Pre season there was booing from "United fans"
Plus the army of online United fans who've turned against him.
Those were preseason games where anyone could turn up. United fans inside Old Trafford have never booed Maguire.
That's the saddest thing, for me. At least at Old Trafford Beckham was 'safe'. Maguire isn't 'safe' from the abuse anywhere he goes, including Old Trafford.
And like I alluded to earlier, everyone knew how good Beckham was.. and at this point, United were winning everything in sight. Maguire obviously isn't anywhere near Beckham's level, but that's not his fault and shouldn't be a stick to hit him with. But it is.
Phil Jones was turned into a meme. It's fair to assume it would've gotten to the same degree as Maguire is experiencing had Southgate continued to pick Jones for England.
But Maguire generally plays quite well for England, though. The system suits him better. He's been probably England's stand out defender for the past 3-5 years. HIs club form is atrocious, yeah, I agree. But if he was judged solely on his performances for England, his selection is justified, in my opinion.
Granted, his performances for England have started to tail off lately, but that's to be expected. Social media, media and the fans have absolutely shot his confidence to smitherines.
Slightly off topic; did match going fans ever booed anyone?
I remember Martial getting booed a week after Rangnick said he refused to play.
He could of got out he had an opportunity to be in a new different environment. But he chose money. You can have no sympathy when someone chooses greed over their own mental health.
Yes you can. United gave him a stupid deal and he has every right to stay on it. The price for that shouldn't be worldwide constant ridicule. It shouldn't be for anyone.
Pure conjecture. Nobody knows why a transfer didn't materialise. It is just pure speculation that has been bandied about enough now that some people see it as truth.
Im not English so I dont mind too much but Southgate is one of the worst managers I have ever seen.
May he stay in charge of England for a long time haha. Sorry but yeah.
Losing Euro 2020 at full Wembley after going up 1:0 in 2nd minute but then not having another shot at goal, its a remarkable achievement.
Losing that is actually hard, you would need to purposely try to lose that.
The only reason he didnt face scrutiny was because the whole racism topic was so hot at the time and the whole discussion turned about that. But ya what a horrible manager. If he was managing United I would be fuming.
Maguire lacks self-awareness
Maguire is most definitely not at fault for scoring an own goal?
Good work champ!How do you expect me to hide my emotion towards a player who constantly cost my beloved Manutd goals whenever he's on the pitch Eh?
I can see why Southgate is backing him when he's had two very good tournaments for him but from the players perspective you can't help but feel he made a massive error in not committing to a fresh start with West Ham in the summer. Unless Varane and Lindelof have a bad season with injuries (always a possibility with Varane) he isn't playing regularly enough to regain his form and confidence. A bad decision it seems.