Parma Dewol
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Was not in any way clear and obvious. VAR should not be overturning the decision unless there’s conclusive evidence, and they did not have the right angle for that.
To be honest I think it is out but it’s strange to make calls like that when you need pinpoint to the CM technology to make similar calls for offside and goal line technology.Doesn't FIFA use some sensory technology in their tournaments? If so, why hasn't the EPL adopted such? Don't want to spend any funds to better the in-game officiating?
You can’t tell from that angle definitivelyIt looked quite clearly over the line from the angle we saw I thought. Would be fuming if that counted against us
It's boring having to repeat this in the fifth season of VAR but the "clear and obvious" test only applies to subjective decisions such as foul or not, yellow or red, etc.Unnecessary though. That case was clearly too close to call. Not a clear and obvious error, and no advantage given to the attacking side.
Dreadful decision, no matter how you look at it
It felt like they went "oh god it looks in here, go back! Go back!"The angle from behind Rashford didn't look like it went out but obviously they didn't check that one 12 times.
Hey, Japan scored one against Spain like that last year. FIFA's own tech gave a solid explanation at the end of the day.It looked quite clearly over the line from the angle we saw I thought. Would be fuming if that counted against us
Correct.The other angle shows it’s clearly in. It’s a sphere, surely the benefit of the doubt should be given when they did the same for West Ham against us last season? We’ve been robbed two weeks in a row.
Clearly based on what? Flawed logicClearly out of bounds.
Penalty on Hojlund and onside from Garnacho. Those are the kind of calls that are problematic.
That angle is not definitive proof.
I realise there's extreme bias at play but even still, if anyone is seriously complaining that this was deemed to be out of play then there's something actively wrong with you.
Nah, the widest part of the ball could definitely be clipping the line if you’re looking from directly above. We’re not looking at it from directly above, so don’t know if it is or not. There is absolutely no way of being 100% certain in a tight call like that without that view.
I realise there's extreme bias at play but even still, if anyone is seriously complaining that this was deemed to be out of play then there's something actively wrong with you.
Edge of the ball is over the edge of the line.
I realise there's extreme bias at play but even still, if anyone is seriously complaining that this was deemed to be out of play then there's something actively wrong with you.
If that goal was allowed against us, we'd be screaming conspiracy. You can't complain about every decision.
This is where referees piss people off in this league. Unless it's a clear and obvious error, the decision must stand; it's a fundamental law that stands across team sports.So you’ve got behind Rashford which made it look in and then a thousand different angles where it looks out and in.
Which is definitive and which do you use to make this decision? Does it need to be clear and obvious?
Looks clearly out. People just love to moan. Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot
I realise there's extreme bias at play but even still, if anyone is seriously complaining that this was deemed to be out of play then there's something actively wrong with you.
If that goal was allowed against us, we'd be screaming conspiracy. You can't complain about every decision.
It looks clearly out because of the angle, the camera is to the left of the line, not directly above it.Looks clearly out. People just love to moan. Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot
I'm going to go out on a limb and say they used multiple camera angles.It looks clearly out because of the angle, the camera is to the left of the line, not directly above it.
Japan’s goal vs Spain looked clearly out, but it wasn’tLooks clearly out. People just love to moan. Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot
Well, first off, this clearly is a subjective decision. So for VAR to overturn it, they have to be sure an error has made. There simply is not the proof.It's boring having to repeat this in the fifth season of VAR but the "clear and obvious" test only applies to subjective decisions such as foul or not, yellow or red, etc.
Offsides, out of play, handballs (contact immediately before scoring) are objective checks, i.e. did it happen or not?
VAR feed is provided to broadcasters. We've seen the angle they looked at, an inaccurate one. The same as the Garnacho onside winner against Arsenal.I'm going to go out on a limb and say they used multiple camera angles.
I don't find myself able to give them that sort of benefit of the doubt, given recent performances.I'm going to go out on a limb and say they used multiple camera angles.
Except that also looked much closer to the line than ours regardless.Japan’s goal vs Spain looked clearly out, but it wasn’t
i can see the green grass in between the line and the ball IIRC it was touching the line for Japan.Japan’s goal vs Spain looked clearly out, but it wasn’t