Brighton are good, no doubt but it's a pathetic display from us, we don't know what to do, how to stop this, always 2 steps behind and the players even individually don't seem up to the one on ones, the way Lampety just shakes off McTurdminator with a simple fake is just disgusting.
Yes but looking at Rashford, Bruno, Hojlund etc the ball moved through their zones a couple of times but it's like they lightly start jogging towards their man once their man has the ball and at that point its too late, the ball has already moved on. Bruno tbf was at least trying but it didn't look anyone else on the team was trying throughout the entire sequence.
I was trying to make this point, that it was awful defending with very little effort at all, but obviously less colourful wording.
I was also not trying to shit on what you posted and Brighton are excellent, I love watching them play right now, I wish we could play like that but if we are involved in the game I can't really enjoy Brighton because all I see is how shite Manchester United is right now, and it's boiling my piss.
That's one way to look at it, but I can't help but see a lot of half hearted pressing and tackling from most of those Utd players. Then there's the way Groß is just allowed to ghost in, no one tracking his run. Awful stuff.
Why is that then? Are the players not doing what the manager tells them?
Look at how easily McT was beaten on our right wing, and the complete lack of effort to recover. Inexcusable
They ‘broke’ the initial press on the flank and then came back when recognising we had superiority defensively in numbers - this happened repeatedly in that clip. De Zerbi is all about creating artificial transitions by drawing the other team into the press - at no point during that 30 second clip was an artificial transition created because we never committed enough players to the press. The goal is a result of not tracking the runner and genuinely dog shit box defending - they should not be scoring from that defensive structure - we were perfectly well set.
What is too late? You only press when there is a pressing trigger, pressing does not equate to madly running around closing down players in an uncoordinated manner.
It’s worth adding that when De Zerbi first joined us he bought with him a recruitment specialist called Salvatore Monaco.
De Zerbi said this about how he’d learnt a lot from Brighton about recruitment.
That’s because, as any Brighton fan can tell you, Palace are cnuts and generally sh1t!
They played us off the park at the weekend with a starting 11 that cost them 16m.
Their starting 11 against us cost them 16.2M quid.
No-one is saying the bolded.
Yeah but Brighton are set up to spend because they have a system that allows them to create huge sellable assets.
Zaha, Eze, Olishe, Anderson, Guehi, Mitchell
Yes I meant to add that onto the post because it was the same with Zaha, they just let his contract run down.
I'm wondering why you mentioned players like Rashford, Bruno and Hojlund jogging, when their defensive duties there were 1 of pressing or cutting passing lanes. That is why I mentioned pressing.
Good post, but I also think that the defending was far too static. It's fine letting them pass around at the back, but how it can happen that runners aren't tracked and that there is no pressure on the players ready to send the runners towards the goal, that is just what I can't understand and what I think noone else who is noticing a lack of pressing can't.
Waltz in. Ghost in implies some degree of stealth and there was nothing stealthy about that, he was very much there for everyone to see.
I don;'t think its an issue them having the ball and passing it around the back, just like it was not an issue for Arsenal to allow us to do that last week.
I don't disagree on this take, but I wonder, if this structure apparently can't work with the players selected, why bother to try it?
I didn't say it can't work. It could have but I do sympathise since its the first time we played it.
That's shocking. Haven't lost a beat selling £200m worth of players in the last few seasons either.
A football manager talking about algos
Somewhat bitter Palace fan here...let's call it right, probably the most decisive factor of all in your rise from the lower reaches of League One is having an owner willing to put ~£500m of his own money in to the football club with no real repayment terms other than 'you can pay me back at some point'... I can't think of too many (if any) examples where that's happened at a football club. There were a few years where your recruitment was more miss than hit...comparatively big money was spent on the likes of Jakahnbash, Izquierdo and Locadia who did nothing and no big fees were really coming in at that point; Bloom ultimately funded you through that period at a big loss. There's no doubt you've perfected it over the last couple of seasons and I don't begrudge Bloom the success because he put his money where his mouth is but it's not the fairytale that some would have you believe. Brighton are still up there with the most indebted football clubs in the world despite all the money they're bringing in and this shoe-string starting line-up I keep hearing about.
You're out of order
I may be wrong in this, but Brighton have only finished ahead of Palace the past two seasons only.
They spent close to £100m this window.
Ultimately it doesn't matter. Brighton are currently used to whip United around because of their better structure. It doesn't improve anything if people here discover that there might be another club who does it even better.I may be wrong in this, but Brighton have only finished ahead of Palace the past two seasons only.
That's despite outspending Palace by a very healthy amount for a long time.
Palace don't get the plaudits that Brighton do but really should.
But as mentioned in this thread already, Palace are cnuts and no one really likes them!
Here's my hot take as well...our recruitment's as good as Brighton's whenever our tight feck American owners release any cash.I may be wrong in this, but Brighton have only finished ahead of Palace the past two seasons only.
That's despite outspending Palace by a very healthy amount for a long time.
Palace don't get the plaudits that Brighton do but really should.
But as mentioned in this thread already, Palace are cnuts and no one really likes them!
Indeed but Palace have been in the Prem for 4 seasons more than Brighton and have never finished higher than 10th during that 11 year tenure.I may be wrong in this, but Brighton have only finished ahead of Palace the past two seasons only.
That's despite outspending Palace by a very healthy amount for a long time.
Palace don't get the plaudits that Brighton do but really should.
But as mentioned in this thread already, Palace are cnuts and no one really likes them!
That's my point really though mate. Brighton are given plaudits because their system is the best in the league outside of City. They're set up to sell, reinvest and go again because they know it will work. Palace don't and as such either hold onto players too long like Zaha or do what you did with AWB and not reinvest it.
City and Brighton are two clubs whose success is built on an undeniable leg-up from their ownership, nothing sustainable created their outcomes even though they're now cited as 'well run' based on the platform their investment gave them in the first place. I'm not saying that's the only factor - Moshiri has put a similar amount of money in at Everton and squandered the lot so it's easy to get wrong - but why is 'ambition' in football always linked to how much debt your owners are willing to underwrite? Do you think Luton are ambitious?
I mentioned them because they were doing none of the things you mentioned or the things I mentioned while Brighton passed their way through the length of the pitch. Not a single player pressing, tracking a runner, blocking a passing lane etc.
