Yeah, it's still hysterical.
Mason Greenwood | Please be respectful and stay on topic
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Yeah, it's still hysterical.
Keep hearing the word scumbag on this chat. If we kicked out every scumbag in the prem league - we wouldn’t have many players left. Being a scumbag is a matter of opinion. One man’s scumbag is another persons husband and father.
Greenwood has been loaned out and by all accounts support has been provided to the alleged victim and Greenwood off the field.
Antony has been side-lined to sort out his troubles, even though no one has been charged. This is more proactive then most clubs in a similar situation.
On a separate note, we supported Sancho during his mental health issues last year for several months.
Morally I would say we are better than most as a club. We have very questionable players in our history and now, but as a club we have dealt with it fine.
How many talented academy players from the last 20 years have fulfilled their potential with us?
He could be world class but there's a lot of things that could still go very wrong with him.
Think your black and white heavily biased comment says more about you than those who are interested in how he does... If you want to lump everyone together into one group because they don't have the same opinion as you then fair enough, keep banging the drum though
Honestly you’d be surprised. They’re a weird bunch, maybe not a massive amount, but they do certainly existence. Twitter is cesspit and you can find them on there.
He had some good opportunities in that game. I'm surprised how good he looked after so long out.
Still think there's a chance he's back in our shirt next season. Even moreso if he continues to play like that.
Still think there's a chance he's back in our shirt next season. Even moreso if he continues to play like that.
I actually dont want him back.
Im of the opinion that he shoulnt return to England at all and is better off in a different more forgiving country, culture.
I follow him and support him because its just a very interesting storyline and because of his United connection.
I believe in forginess, 2nd chances etc.
But I do understand the cultural situation of today, that for that reason many fans dont want him back ever and thats all fine as well.
Other countries, cultures are a better fit for him today.
Fortunately for him I think he also has the option to represent Jamaica and not England and think he should do that too.
Ultimately things will work out for him.
I actually think its quite interesting from a football perspective as well. An elite level talent who hasn't played for nearly 2 years, seeing whether he can get back to the level he was, let alone even still make it in a top league.
Personally I think we've seen countless players have long term injuries 1 year+ and regain their previous form as well as some who happened to lose a step. With Mason he wasn't injured, just unable to play, so for me I leaned more on the side of him being able to regain his form. From the little I saw, with it being his first game, he looked pretty good. I don't think Getafe will play to his strengths but I reckon that may actually help him instead as rather than having the luxury of waiting for the ball or game to come to him at united he might be forced to to get more involved in a game. Which was something I highlighted as his weakness for us. Will be interesting to see how he progresses.
I forgot how ridiculously comfortable he is with both feet. So effortless.
I’m not sure why you’ve taken issue with Sizzling’s post, I thought you stated that you want him back at your club?
Good to see that greenwood had a decent cameo. But he still has a long way to go to regain his past performance levels.
What is?
The language you're using.
Sorry - what are you on about? What language?
I expressed that if someone has allegedly done a despicable, evil thing, rather than condemn them forever, there has to be a rehabilitative way back to redemption.
If the use of "condemn" there is your issue, I don't know what to tell you - condemnation does not mean incarceration. It's a much broader word, and is commonly used in much broader terms in general communication. This is not a novel use of the term at all
He's been (not fully) let go from his employer because of his behaviour. The hyperbole painting him as a victim is pathetic.
Who's condemning him?
Is it possible that this break will help him to prolong his career?
Who's condemning him? The public - as evidenced in this thread.
The clamour of people actively wishing evil on him, even in this thread is a lot more pathetic. You can have no time for someone, but to spend energy actively wishing evil is mental.
I'm not painting him as a victim, the situation he's found himself in is completely his fault based on what we heard.
I'm saying as a society, we can't afford to lose the concept of redemption (this includes public perception), that is, for people who are genuinely repentant - and I have no clue if Greenwood is or not.
He said he didn't do it. It's not really a question of repentance.
Ah there are idiots on both sides of every argument. It's absurd to base your stance as a response to them.
Redemption isn't a button, it's a process.
No arguments there - was referring specifically to the group of people I mentioned
In my personal experience when you argue against the lunatic fringe you just look like a mirror image of their lunacy. It's lose lose. Because they don't respond to logic anyway.
Usually yes, but as you explained yourself, just in this instance we'll contain all the madness in one place.
There seemed to be an expectation that he would be completely not match fit after 19 months away. He looked more like a player returning from a few weeks off due to injury than someone out of the game for nearly 2 years. I would expect him back in good form once he settles in and integrates into their tactics.
Have a feeling he’ll be back in a United shirt next season.
I can only see it happening after he is cleared in the court of public opinion. Which I would not rule out happening over the next year
Would suggest it will never happen. The court of public opinion has actually seen and heard the evidence, which is pretty damning and uncomfortable stuff. If these were just allegations without the evidence, he’d be playing for you now.
The fact remains that there are a sizeable minority of Manchester United supporters, as there are in any club, who simply don’t care what he did because he’s “one of our own”. Tribalism in football is a whole different level to say, an actor or singer being accused of similar behaviour.
This has been consistently and repeatedly evidenced throughout the thread. If you actually challenge these people on their views having seen the material which is public, it’s back to the stock defence of “but the club said he didn’t do it, and the CPS didn’t prosecute”. Which of course go hand in hand anyway.
As I say, if these were allegations without the evidence we’ve all born witness to, it would be done and dusted. But that evidence is out there - forever - and people aren’t going to just wipe it from their minds or excuse what they’ve seen and heard.
He will never play for Manchester United again. Your sponsors will not tolerate it, supporters groups will not tolerate it, your women’s football team won’t support it. It will never happen.
I would imagine that a vast majority of those who follow United want him back. A significant majority of those who follow United are based in Asia, Africa, the US, where this issue isn't on the radar at all. They simply want to see United win and see him as a needed component of that process.
Seriously? You're actually arguing that people based in Asia, Africa, the US care less about allegations of rape and domestic assault that people based in Europe? That's a hell of a hot take, I'll give you that.
Hmm maybe. You would imagine if had been free for selection the last couple of years he might have a few miles on the clock already coming through as a youngster.
Being away for so long has made people overrate him to the heavens on here, iirc his last season at the club before the suspension he wasn't showing much growth if any, Madrid have better talents than him in Rodrygo, Vinicius and possibly Endrick, while also more than likely Mbappe, maybe Barca? but he doesn't strike me as a Barca type player at all.
Growth is never linear, only players like Messi shows insane linear growth
the us elected trump, and probably will do again.
If you look at the broader online sentiment (beyond the loud but narrow ecosystem of British podcasters and activists) there is little support to not have him return. The friendly reception he's received in Spain only reinforces this.
The opposition fans loudly chanting “Die Greenwood, Die” in unison?
Oppo fans also throw coins and banana peels at players. This is par for the course among a very small subsection of fans in specific countries. The reception he has received by his loan club seems to be overwhelmingly positive.
Not sure why we're putting any stock in the reaction from anonymous, no doubt overwhelmingly male fans online regardless of where they come from tbh.
Especially when he wasn't the most dedicated on the training pitch like it was rumored was the case with him even before the allegations came out.
Regardless his growth rate was not unusual. Infact it was very advanced for a player of his age and profile
Europeans are more noble tongue in cheek