No but it does imply that he has more control than he should.
I guess I'd rather be optimistic than the opposite these days. Like you say, we didn't fall apart against one of the favorites for the Champions League while missing 12 first team players. I'll take a 4-3 loss in that context, for sure.
Oh fair enough, my bad.
Why would you have downed tools as manager right now?
Don't understand this post at all. Maguire played two games, was shit, and got dropped to 4th choice. He even preferred to play Shaw at centre back where he could. He only came in when we were at bare bones at the back.
If you can't tell why that's the right decision I don't know what to say to you
Maybe because like with most players who join United, they don’t realise what an amateur hour show the club is until they have joined, at which stage they’ve signed all sorts of non disclosures where they have to act Like whoever’s fault it is for failure, it’s certainly not the setup of the club.
Fair points, but overall I do not see so much disagreement. Just to reiterate, of course there are things to be critical about when it comes to his management. Also I want to point out that despite the threads having been merged since, my post was made in the "sack or keep ETH" thread and was most of all directed against the notion that sacking Ten Hag might be on the table, which it absolutely should not. Criticizing Ten Hag is always on the table.
Unfortunately we have developed this habit. But I agree with all what you said. It is more than the manager’s fault. In football, the manager is the “weakest link”, the easiest to blame and let go especially with all media pressure these days. The United manager job comes with lots of pressure; the club’s overall situation makes the manager go under more scrutiny still. For me, I have not seen enough to make me say ETH should go. Is he perfect? No, some decisions (player and tactical) were off in my opinion.
Several reasons. Ownership instability the first one.
He is absolutely right. My comment was a response to criticism that Ten Hag doesn‘t bench players that underperform.
We actually had a better record than Liverpool in the remaining games after that, I know we didn't play as well as we had been but we didn't go totally off the rails.
Difference being City have quality players on the bench too, we don't.
I don't think that match had that sort of an effect. The players and manager didn't seem to care that it was a humiliation.
Rightly or wrongly United handed big influence over transfers to ETH just to get him in. This was mentioned a lot when we were interviewing him for the position, that he would require that to take the job. The fans absolutely loved it at the time. Jokers.
Of course we should have. Any manager who also wants to be a de facto DoF should be thanked for the interview and asked to feck off.
Do you even watch football? Serious question. And if so how long for?
And why do you think United agreed to his terms?
Imposing his vision is the way to win. It’s not as far away as it looks. The more spineless thing would be to give up and revert to a low / mid block static 4231. They’ve all got to keep at it and it will come.
Would you have trusted the club to sign its own targets the last 2 years ? Some of you speak like United was doing well building squads and making successful signings for the last 10 years.
They agreed to it because they haven't got the slightest idea of how to run an elite club.
I would trust mire full-time scouts to identify good players than any manager who spends most of their time in other things (you know coaching, tactics etc).
Nothing wrong with his vision. But he doesn't have the players. That, and he might be underestimating the PL.
Well thats very naive if I might say. We need three points not a draw with shades of barca with it because he had his transfer windows and his time and now its time to step up against an inferior opponent. Dare I say he can probably play Maguire against Burnley (which would probably suit Maguire) but won't. At the end of the day if a player isnt good enough and you dont rate him he might get you over the finish line on the day. Thats why Ferguson stood by somebody like Fletcher and the guy repaid him 150 %. Eth probably already invented a culture in the club with players that are behind him (Onana, Antony, Lindelof and Casemiro) and the ones that are not (Sancho and Maguire). In all honesty exept Casemiro (prehaps Onana) non of these guys are Mufc quality but we are not UNITED as he said in his press conference.
Do you? With Antony out it would be good to have Sancho available, no?
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Ole trusted scouts. Didn't work
In theory, in reality the difference he’d make judging from what we’ve seen is hardly game changing.
So who is responsible for Rangnick not staying in position then. I only ask because all reports said it was Erik that didn't want to meet with him.
