Matching the bar that prompted purchase, or bettering it?
Beginning to think that fitness is as much of an issue for our signings as anything else. We need to start thinking about the worth of keeping injury prone players around, regardless of how good they might be when fit.Di Maria. Even not wanting to be here he was still our leading assister that season.
Varane has been as good as he always was, he's just never fit and the unit around him isn't as good but he has been individually very good.
Shaw has been as good as he was when we signed him. Same with Martial, they just both have injury problems.
PSG's Zlatan was far better than United's, as good as he was here.None
Edit : Zlatan was one
Di Maria alongside Bruno are the most talented players we’ve had at a the club post Fergie. Maybe Zlatan too at the end of his career even.Di Maria. Even not wanting to be here he was still our leading assister that season.
Varane has been as good as he always was, he's just never fit and the unit around him isn't as good but he has been individually very good.
Shaw has been as good as he was when we signed him. Same with Martial, they just both have injury problems.
Who are the big potential generational players/best players in the the league that we have managed to get while City and Chelsea will have felt like they missed out? Bruno James AWB Herrera Dalot Fred and Shaw have been decent to good but its not like we had major competition for them, Di Maria - fail. Pogba - fail. Lukaku - fail. Maguire - fail. Sancho - fail. Antony - fail. Greenwood - fail. These are all players at the right age who with the proper guidance and structure around them should have succeeded at the highest levels. In the meantime city quietly (enough) go and get Haaland and assemble the best young team in the league while we waste years with Ronaldo Sanchez Casemiro Varane Wout Ighalo Falcao Bastian Matic Evans and so on. We are shopping on a completely different planet to the best teams (Bayern, Madrid and City) we are only taking young players they wouldn't want and eyeing up their castoffs for one last stupid paydayThis is a point I keep making to people who keep saying “the manager isn’t getting the most out of this squad” about every manager.
The answer isn’t we keep signing managers simply not good enough, we keep signing players who fail to bring their form and qualities to the club regardless of manager. We have 10 years of failed transfers, this is not a manager issue and it’s not necessarily a player issue either.
At this stage, it’s undeniable, there is systemic issues at United far beyond our managers and even individual players that effectively undermine any efforts to cultivate success.
The Glazers run United prove that if you bring quality players into a broken club that’s not setup to help them and a manager succeed , then the players form will inevitably collapse.
It’s not bad luck if it’s sustained over such a long period.It is freaky how bad our luck with signings has been over the past decade.
The same guy who was constantly injured but magically available for every Uruguay game?Agree with a few of the names - Bruno, Herrera, Shaw, Romero, AWB.
No love for this beautiful man?
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Not in his first season, he played nearly 40 games.The same guy who was constantly injured but magically available for every Uruguay game?
Cavani spent most of that season being a good impact player off the bench but he struggled when he started games. There was a month or two in the second half of the season where he was quality when starting, but overall even his first season was underwhelming. Not bad, but nothing to really write home about either.First season he was magic and more than doubled his goal tally from PSG the season before. For me that's a player who was performing as good or better than he was at his previous club. Can't compare him to earlier PSG seasons due to his age, he was never going to reproduce those numbers from his peak.
Easy. None.Matching the bar that prompted purchase, or bettering it?
Top-class potential doesn't always give you top-class end product. A lot of things can happen on the way. United are a mess, but these two in particular have played under 5 different managers and they have only performed well sporadically. Sometimes, it is what it is and, most likely, as good as it gets.Shaw and Martial were hyped as being world class talents when we bought them, and we paid record fees for them too...hasnt quite turned out that way has it, which i think is the point of the OP. so im surprised these names are being mentioned.
Fair point but there's nothing wrong with being a great impact player off the bench either - alot of solksjaers career was doing exactly that.Cavani spent most of that season being a good impact player off the bench but he struggled when he started games. There was a month or two in the second half of the season where he was quality when starting, but overall even his first season was underwhelming. Not bad, but nothing to really write home about either.