He posts dishonest videos all the time. The one just above from 'Torah Judaism' designed to inflame without context is months old.
How was it proven to be disinformation? Have you got a link?
21st century looting and pillaging involves online deliveries. Definitely one for the hypernormalisation thread.
You’re furiously posting everything that fits your agenda on here completely unfiltered, while (correctly) calling for caution from others.
you're going too far with this one mate!These happened in 1998 Indonesian riot. The commandoes lead the way, breaking in stuff and letting the footsoldier masses do the rest
This actually made me laugh for a moment, what the actual feck.
Someone from Kibbutz Be'eri, where some 11o people were slaughtered and many more apparently kidnapped,
who had his son murdered while he himself was hiding in the safe room of the house;
He says that while he was hiding the Hamas men tried unlocking the door to the safe house,
they also bought things online with his credit card
and he is now trying to cancel those deals, along with mourning his son (this in itself is also peculiar, as in, why can't he just leave it for the time being... but to judge someone in his shoes.... nah)
Can you imagine a Hamas commando soldier wasting time on such crap??
This strengthens the thinking that amongst those 'fighters' who stormed into Israel were bloody teenagers.
At the time that was what was reported across multiple sources. I can see now that the church itself published a statement yesterday - a whole 24 hours after the first tweets of it being hit.
How does one furiously post?
I'm aware of what orthodox Jews believe in - and I've actually marched alongside them in various demos in London throughout the years. But you can understand why it takes a whole new level of bravery to resist pro-Zionist IDF after what happened on Friday, and with a Palestinian flag to boot.
Do you know what those ultra-ultra-Orthodox believe in?
They can't give 2 shits about Palestine or anyone who isn't them.
They believe that the Israeli state was born in sin (much like you do) but the reason for it is,
that the Messiah still hasn't arrived, and he and only he is allowed to establish a Jewish state.
If their Messiah was already present and he'd have decided to still establish the Jewish state on the same land of what you refer to as Palestine, the outcome won't have been any different.
If you support them in the sense that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", then okay, that's something else.
OK cheers, wasn't sure you were informed.
There's nothing proven either way on this. Owlo mentioned there's video's doing the rounds, I've had a look in the usual depositories for that kind of stuff and can't find any. The root source of the claims are soldiers on the ground speaking to reporters. Probably best to ignore what the reporters are saying until anything is verified either way, but two separate IDF officers are on film mentioning beheadings. First one says "beheading of children & women" without mentioning numbers, 2nd one mentions beheadings without saying of who or numbers.
You don't even seem aware that 'Orthodox Jews' don't have a monolithic set of beliefs. Your video is months old, so it's got nothing to do with Friday.
I've also mentioned that I've not personally seen them, they have not come from the usual channels one would expect, I've not had the information offered internally (I've asked one offhand question and her reply was "...") - My likely opinion based on nothing but my own thoughts and publicly available information currently is that the videos are some sort of deepfakes created by the internet, and that the 'beheadings' aren't decapitations, but stab wounds to the necks of babies. This has then been lost in translation, amplified, and the internet has ran with it. I think something is there, but not what people expect.
I think what the posters who're calling you out are getting at is,
What's the evidence?
Apparently there were several waves of people coming from Gaza. The first waves were of terrorists. The latter ones, once the fence was clearly no obstacle, were a bunch of looters.
This strengthens the thinking that amongst those 'fighters' who stormed into Israel were bloody teenagers.
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quite possibly, yeah.
If those claims are true then I'll be the first to express my disgust and dismay that humans are capable of that. And I've said in multiple posts - me fact checking does not equate to me absolving Hamas of any / all the heinous crimes they have actually committed.
That police raid was in April. There are hundreds of youtube posts and videos on it.
I'd like to strengthen this claim as someone who lives here.
Can you show me one?
Sky News have asked the IDF to confirm the reports three times and they have declined each time. So Sky News have refused to run the story. It’s only heavily partisan, fringe or sensational media outlets who are reporting it.
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After the dust settles there will have to be an inquiry into how on earth Hamas could plan and execute something like this in their own back yard.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=raid+Mea+Shearim+neighborhood+flags
Feck sakes this is a grim post.I was just thinking that in a week, 2-3 weeks maybe,
assuming Israeli soldiers will have already invaded Gaza, and the Gazan death toll will be in the ten thousand+,
and the children will die and the neighborhoods will look like ghost towns, all of them at that.
Hamas will probably start releasing ISIS-like videos about all sorts of things being done to Israeli prisoners.
Hopefully by that time, something will have made them release the women, elderly, and children, so that they'll "only" torture men.
It'll most probably get harder and harder for any of us here, and people in general,
to still be able to hold somewhat balanced, nuanced opinions.
Emotions will rocket sky high, and people will find for themselves which direction their hearts lean toward if it's not already clear to them by now.
The worst is still ahead.
Maybe it's not the end of the world if a rocket indeed hits my little apartment
I don't think anybody wants to see that mate. But the news outlets that publish these stories need more than 'we were told there may be beheaded babies' to publish them on front page news. Especially, you know, considering tensions are already high and a full blown war in the Middle East may pop off at any minute and thousands and thousands of innocent people could end up paying for false news with their lives....
Yeah, this arguing (over several pages) over semantics does seem to deflect from the real story, which is horrifying by itself.
Yeah I heard the pregnant lady story, expecting/hoping that to be some silly misinfo, there's lots of that going round. I also listened to a guy who had just spoken to a family friend in Israel that will be burying his daughter and grand-daughter. This guy didn't appear to have an agenda, just describing the things done to them through a shaky voice... So I'm fearing the worse for stories we are yet to hear.
There are some extremists that always dream of this, but most just want to live their lives. Yes average Israelis are probably feeling rage now, but very few wanted all this a week ago and don't pretend they did.
Yes, yes. how did you know?
Apparently...
No. But I think certain people calculate, probably correctly, that beheadings cause more revulsion.
theres actual video doing the rounds, of these poor souls being brought into gaza hospitals. not that i would want to share it.
Ok, then. Looks like good journalism by Sky News. It obviously hasn’t been proved to be disinformation but it hasn’t been confirmed to be factual either. So best not to run with it as though it is.
