Israel - Palestine Discussion | Post Respectfully | Discuss more, tweet less

4bars

Full Member
Joined
Feb 10, 2016
Messages
5,260
Supports
Barcelona
So that letter of senators menacing the ICC was not a fringe radical boast of some stupid senators. 1 day later, the POTUS and other relevant politicians seems to be on board?

It is utter insanity

US showing that they don't care about morality, international law, status quote...They are just a fecking bully and the world will do what they say on good terms or bad terms. Blackmailing their favourite tool
 

ManUtd1999

Full Member
Joined
Sep 22, 2013
Messages
3,658
Giggsyking said:
The only democracy in the middle east.
Click to expand...
It’s so cute to hear the “leader” of the Israeli “opposition” concerned. I heard nothing from him, until bothering the AP. Now he can go back to sleep for few more months.
 

dumbo

Don't Just Fly…Soar!
Scout
Joined
Jan 6, 2008
Messages
9,439
Location
Thucydides nuts
It's not just that the US favours Israeli might, brutality and oppression over Palestinian dignity that could be its undoing, it's that they favour Israeli might, brutality and oppression over their very own citizens. Both the citizens being attacked for protesting peacefully and the US citizens who have been killed by the Israeli state - including journalists, charity workers, activists.
 

ManUtd1999

Full Member
Joined
Sep 22, 2013
Messages
3,658
dumbo said:
It's not just that the US favours Israeli might, brutality and oppression over Palestinian dignity that could be its undoing, it's that they favour Israeli might, brutality and oppression over their very own citizens. Both the citizens being attacked for protesting peacefully and the US citizens who have been killed by the Israeli state - including journalists, charity workers, activists.
Click to expand...
A complete and utter disaster by this administration. They could’ve supported Israel against these Hamas terrorists but with clear red lines when it comes to the civilian population. Instead, they allowed it to do whatever it wanted.
 

berbatrick

Renaissance Man
Scout
Joined
Oct 22, 2010
Messages
21,998

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphi_Corridor

Separating Gaza into Bantustans and removing Hamas and replacing it with tribal clans seems like an achievable goal for Israel over the next 6-12 months of war. With no prospect for help from abroad, I hope the fighters of the ghetto miraculously spill enough IDF blood to foil this plan.
 

VorZakone

What would Kenny G do?
Joined
May 9, 2013
Messages
33,510
Egypt changed terms of Gaza ceasefire deal presented to Hamas, surprising negotiators, sources say

Egyptian intelligence quietly changed the terms of a ceasefire proposal that Israel had already signed off on earlier this month, ultimately scuttling a deal that could have released Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners, and set a pathway to temporarily end the fighting in Gaza, according to three people familiar with the discussions.
Click to expand...
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/21/...changing-ceasefire-terms-for-hamas/index.html
 

2mufc0

Everything is fair game in capitalism!
Joined
Jan 8, 2014
Messages
17,112
Supports
Dragon of Dojima
Just the axis of evil holding out as usual.
 

gfactor86

New Member
Joined
Nov 15, 2001
Messages
1,328
I guess Norway and Ireland will be happy to take in Palestinian refugees. But they won't, because they couldn't really care less
 

gfactor86

New Member
Joined
Nov 15, 2001
Messages
1,328
Revan said:
Is terrorism worse than genocide?
Click to expand...
Just sets a precedent.

Now if the Catalans are serious about statehood then they should launch a heinous campaign of brutal terrorism against Spain? Spark a reaction from Spain, so that the world recognises that the Catalan's should have a state.
 

VorZakone

What would Kenny G do?
Joined
May 9, 2013
Messages
33,510
Question: let's say Gaza/WB together become a Palestinian state. How problematic will it be that these two territories are separated? To travel from Gaza to WB and vice versa, you'd have to cross Israeli territory, right?
 

BarstoolProphet

Full Member
Joined
Aug 7, 2014
Messages
6,701
gfactor86 said:
Just sets a precedent.

Now if the Catalans are serious about statehood then they should launch a heinous campaign of brutal terrorism against Spain? Spark a reaction from Spain, so that the world recognises that the Catalan's should have a state.
Click to expand...
Does Spain occupy Catalonia?
 

VorZakone

What would Kenny G do?
Joined
May 9, 2013
Messages
33,510
gfactor86 said:
Just sets a precedent.

Now if the Catalans are serious about statehood then they should launch a heinous campaign of brutal terrorism against Spain? Spark a reaction from Spain, so that the world recognises that the Catalan's should have a state.
Click to expand...
Is Spain violating some UN resolution? Israel is violating international law by occupying Palestinian territories.
 

Revan

Assumptionman
Joined
Dec 19, 2011
Messages
50,013
Location
London
gfactor86 said:
Just sets a precedent.

Now if the Catalans are serious about statehood then they should launch a heinous campaign of brutal terrorism against Spain? Spark a reaction from Spain, so that the world recognises that the Catalan's should have a state.
Click to expand...
Indeed, that genocides are not cool.

If Spain starts doing a genocide in Catalonia (for whatever reasons), other states should recognize Catalonia.

And of course, it is a completely different scenario considering that Spain is not occupying Catalonia, while Israel is occupying Gaza, East Jerusalem and the West Bank.
 

gfactor86

New Member
Joined
Nov 15, 2001
Messages
1,328
VorZakone said:
Question: let's say Gaza/WB together become a Palestinian state. How problematic will it be that these two territories are separated? To travel from Gaza to WB and vice versa, you'd have to cross Israeli territory, right?
Click to expand...
They would never accept it, because it has been offered before and declined.

I guess a good option would be to build a tunnel connecting the two but would be a major infrastructure project.
 

RedSky

Shepherd’s Delight
Scout
Joined
Jul 27, 2006
Messages
74,892
Location
Hereford FC (Soccermanager)
Americas International reputation is right back down in the mud. I thought it couldn't go lower than Trumps term, but I was wrong. This will never be forgotten. An utter disgrace.
 

Jotun

Full Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2010
Messages
379
gfactor86 said:
Just sets a precedent.

Now if the Catalans are serious about statehood then they should launch a heinous campaign of brutal terrorism against Spain? Spark a reaction from Spain, so that the world recognises that the Catalan's should have a state.
Click to expand...
Spain had similar experience with ETA and Basque separatist movement. However they didn't bomb the basque into oblivion and genocide them, so nobody saw fit to call for Basque statehood. Also UK didn't bomb hospitals in Ireland as a retaliation for IRA's terrorism.

Considering the history of jewish people, it is absolutelly horrifying what Israel does to Palestinians. I'm appalled beyond words.

Also, the statement from three countries specifically does not support Hamas, the organization that organized october 7th. It's not the palestinians that did that terrible act, it's Hamas. But now normal palestinians are suffering. But I guess for you it's hard to differentiate between two.
 

unchanged_lineup

Tarheel Tech Wizard
Joined
Aug 9, 2014
Messages
16,959
Location
Leaving A Breakfast On All Of Your Doorsteps
Supports
Janet jazz jazz jam
gfactor86 said:
Just sets a precedent.

Now if the Catalans are serious about statehood then they should launch a heinous campaign of brutal terrorism against Spain? Spark a reaction from Spain, so that the world recognises that the Catalan's should have a state.
Click to expand...
"Spark a reaction" meaning genocide and manufactured starvation, in this parallelism.
 

Smores

Full Member
Joined
May 18, 2011
Messages
25,719
He's a troll chaps, he was posting pictures of bustling markets claiming it was Gaza not so long ago.
 

Adisa

likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt
Joined
Nov 28, 2014
Messages
50,573
Location
Birmingham
Couldn’t be happier with today’s news. Israel have seen apartheid doesn’t work, so now resorts to ethnic cleansing. They need the South Africa treatment. If their populace can’t see how damaging their policies are to their own self interest, then there’s no hope for them.
 

Kaos

Full Member
Joined
May 6, 2007
Messages
32,054
Location
Ginseng Strip
A welcome move by those three nations.

Unfortunately the UK are too spineless to follow through, regardless of whether its the Tories or Labour at the helm. They'll simply mimic the US' stance and form their own axis of genocidal apologism. Much like Apartheid South Africa they'll cling on to the very end supporting the oppressor.
 

Pav1878

Full Member
Joined
Apr 23, 2014
Messages
1,247
gfactor86 said:
So in the eyes of Norway and Ireland terrorism wins. The reward for 7th October is statehood.
Click to expand...
Let’s go through this again now shall we?
It’s not a case of Terrorism winning or losing. This is a freedom struggle which dates way back before October 7th.

If you really want to go down this path, why don’t you look up how Israel was founded on Jewish Terror groups like the Irgun who murdered Palestinians and also bombed the King David Hotel, with some of the victims being British?

Since then we have seen state terrorism from Israel against the Palestinian people and the rise of Palestinian resistance.
An oppressed people will always resist if backed into a corner with little diplomatic avenues to pursue.
 

Pav1878

Full Member
Joined
Apr 23, 2014
Messages
1,247
Kaos said:
A welcome move by those three nations.

Unfortunately the UK are too spineless to follow through, regardless of whether its the Tories or Labour at the helm. They'll simply mimic the US' stance and form their own axis of genocidal apologism. Much like Apartheid South Africa they'll cling on to the very end supporting the oppressor.
Click to expand...
So true.

the so called allies and leaders of the free world, whatever that means.
 

Pav1878

Full Member
Joined
Apr 23, 2014
Messages
1,247
gfactor86 said:
They would never accept it, because it has been offered before and declined.

I guess a good option would be to build a tunnel connecting the two but would be a major infrastructure project.
Click to expand...
This is why so many writers and thinkers like Ilan Pappe and Noam Chomsky have advocated a one state solution, with equal rights for both Palestinians and Israelis. Similar to Bosnia and Herzegovina.

I’m not sure that would work however. Too much has happened. If it was me I wouldn’t want to live with the IDF who murdered my children.

The complexities of the territory itself are there for sure and I don’t know how you solve that issue.
When India was partitioned there was east and west Pakistan formed but it didn’t last long and east Pakistan became Bangladesh.
 

gfactor86

New Member
Joined
Nov 15, 2001
Messages
1,328
The only country to offer the Palestinians a state was Israel. No one else did. On all occasions the offer was declined. Why? Because they want all of Israel (River to the Sea).

You think Hamas will be happy with a state in Gaza/WB? Wake up.

All that would happen is the Palestinian state would fail. Hamas and terrorist would continue to continue to fire at Israel, but this time Israel would finish the job and could do so under international law (State attacking another state).
 

2mufc0

Everything is fair game in capitalism!
Joined
Jan 8, 2014
Messages
17,112
Supports
Dragon of Dojima
You must log in or register to reply here.