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Yep, they are my thoughts. Jordan wasn't meant to be a direct comparator, it has a huge Palestinian population by proportion.
11.10.2023. owlo (OWLO) condemns the intentional targeting of OWLO body hair by alien occupation forces in the Gaza strip, resulting in the tragic removal of four OWLO bodyhairs in less than half an hour today, despite prior coordination.
Putting out a statement like this, does not make it factual.
The World (western world at least) has its new demon to go after. It was Al-Qaeda, then ISIS, it will now be Hamas. I hope people in Gaza understand what's coming. I don't know if there's a damn thing they can do about it, but they need to know this will be different to what they've endured before. It won't end this time before Hamas is destroyed.
Remember UK occupied India. Remember Apartheid S.A. Those at two examples off the top of my head. The occupiers grip collapsed faster when violence was renounced. Further back in history Rome as an empire was virulently anti Christian whilst they were the pacifists at the beginning of its rise as a religion. In the end Rome itself became a Christian Empire......
It happened earlier today. But nothing ever really happens to Israel for breaking international law.
whilst we’re on the topic - here’s what happened to the 4 kids on the beach in 2015 in Gaza:
Israel exonerated itself and called it an accident (what a surprise) but here are what impartial journos had to say:
But journalists who attended the scene in the immediate aftermath of the attack – including a reporter from the Guardian – saw a small and dilapidated fisherman’s hut containing a few tools where the children had been playing hide-and-seek.
Mohammad Ramiz Bakr, 11, Ahed Atef Bakr and Zakariya Ahed Bakr, both 10, and Ismail Mahmoud Bakr, nine, were killed when they were hit by explosive rounds. Three of them died as they sought to flee the beach after the first child was killed.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/11/israel-clears-military-gaza-beach-children
I'll have to check out the Red Crescent incident. I want to say they are in a medical field iirc, that's deplorable if so.
That said, IDF is still seemingly operating with constraint (obviously with soldiers inside Gaza lazing targets, don't think there's any way they are just targeting from above even with total air supremacy & no worry of MANPADS) even with the occasional error or intentional target.
Watching that video recently posted on the beeb with yhe report from the hospital in gaza is absolutely harrowing. Made even more so by the many politicians and their supporters trying to justify the situation. Calling hamas evil and isis is all well and good, but its sheer hypocrisy whilst condoning what the Israelis are doing.
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And the point is that if you use a bulldozer in order to knock down your bathroom wall, then the levelling of your entire house isn't a collateral damage. It's neither collateral damage nor targetted, they are levelling the place with no care about who is receiving those bombs.
I'm sure they managed to identify 6000 bomb's worth of Hamas members in the last few days, given their recent intelligence performances.
Pretty much agree.
I surmise they have Mossad agents or military folk embedded in Gaza & they are lazing targets for their bombs & guided naval artillery.
Are you capable of reading? The PRCS coordinated entering Gaza with Israel to administer aid and 4 of them were killed by Israel half an hour later. You’re genuinely an embarrassment. Please take a leaf out of scholesy the wise’s book.
You could say the same about England and France which goes back even further
https://www.ifrc.org/press-release/...ians-and-healthcare-workers-must-be-respected
No suggestion they were intentionally targeted.
No suggestion they were intentionally targeted.
Of course it is collateral damage if the aim was to just take out the bathroom wall, the tool was just incorrect for the task. Its unintended consequence was taking down the whole joint. The bathroom wall was obviously targeted.
There's that, no doubt, but in all probability they are running with the most up to date war plan for the removal of Hamas from Gaza. They've probably been cataloging targets since they left in the mid 2000s.
I remember both of those (well, i don't *remember* Indian independence), and neither came about through just peaceful protest, despite how the stories have been retrospectively written re Gandhi and Mandela. Both suffered severe violence. These are definitely not good examples.
What’s the latest on them allowing the attack to happen? I don’t for one second believe Mossad was entirely surprised by this. They’re complicit.
I’m not one for conspiracies but some Israeli leadership having been itching for an opportunity; and then didn’t an Egyptian minister say they warned Israel days before the attack? Put that together with Netanyahu’s tenuous grip on power, now secured with a war cabinet, and his historical comments and ideas on allowing Hamas to exist as a fuse to discredit the Palestine cause.
The whole situation just makes me sick. Innocent civilians on both sides dying because of ideologues.
Okay, you do realize that they know exactly what the tools that they are using will do and they know exactly that they are not appropriate. I was hoping that you would spot the absurdity of my example and that it would lead to this observation.
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It hurts even more when you know that we are powerless within ourselves to force any form of change.feck me I think tonight's broken me a bit. Have tried to stay clam and level-headed the last week, and generally avoided all the videos and images of destruction floating around. Am currently teaching a course on the conflict and was mediating debate between students today thinking I need to do my best to keep things sober. And now tonight I'm after making the mistake of watching footage from Gaza and interviews with grieving Israelis. And then seeing this absolute cnut Netanyahu strutting around like his shit don't stink, shaking hands with Blinken, playing the statesman. I realize it's ultimately futile to focus on individuals at the expense of the broader systematic conditions, but this man needs to fall badly, for everything he's done and everything he represents. I'm in bits here in a way I haven't been in a long long time (and to be clear, I don't have a direct stake in what's going on - can't imagine what those who do are going through).
Anyway here's a message from a coalition of Israeli human rights organizations:
You're making inflammatory unverified comments time and time again, and I'm the embarrassment. Ok then.
You want to stir up hate, you do you.
Of course they have parameters for their ordnance used, they're not dropping bunker busters on a building in Gaza. Nor will they just shoot it with a MG. They will use the least amount of ordnance to effect what they are hoping for, typically the destruction of a building. They don't want to waste materiel or gas in doing so.
Unfortunately a building bombed from an external source is always going to collapse one way or another. Difficult to drop it inside its footprint in a war.
Youre in denial. Well not about the embarrassment part at least.
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I obviously blame Yahden
Sickening.
Or they want to make as much damage and victims as possible while also sometimes targetting Hamas while also allegedly using white phosphorus.
Absolutely brother, it's such a devastating, hollow feeling, and a recipe for a horrible cynicism and apathy that dilutes our humanity. We have to do our best not to give in to it.
Thank you mate, I will have a look.
My exact thoughts bro.
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They probably have used it. It's not illegal, and far from the worst of their crimes.
It is illegal in densely populated area. It is only allowed as a smokescreen for your own troops which aren't in Gaza right now.
White Phosphorous upon a civilian population is illegal. It's a warcrime. There's no ambiguity. It's been done before. Israel has history with using it.
The interesting thing I realized today, which I knew already but forgot, is that Israel shuns the ICC's territory (over Israel) because it doesn't recognise the state of Palestine (any such state). That is their rationale in rejecting the court's legitimacy. Point being, the framing of that question again: "Do you recognize Israel's right to exist" - it has to be "Do you recognize Palestine's right to exist" (as many Arab states do recognize Israel, formally, as do many Palestinians and then the moderate WB groups. Where's the reciprocation? It's just an entirely assymetric frame from a Western media.
More bollocks. It’s literally a war crime to use in civilian areas.
https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1711367919442039141?t=cL8ujZjzmqYdQZAdQ03-Uw&s=19
Genocidal effin maniacs.
Genocidal effin maniacs.
I’ve just been through this cnuts Twitter. Literally ticks every box of idiocy. Covid misinformation, climate change denier, sucks Elon Musk’s cock, and pro-Zionism.
Perhaps they could use it before the England game, as part of the prematch entertainment.
Heartbreaking.