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[calodo2003]

Thank you for the heads up. I won't watch that. May they RIP.

Yeah, it's a tough watch. Good call.

 

[wr8_utd]

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This is the same video that is proven to not match the time stamp, right?

 

[Simbo]

How about we wait until we have proof before making affirmations ?

Pretty sure I've just seen proof. Very good advice for everyone though!

 

[The Corinthian]

Its geolocated and time is consistent. It was a failed rocket launch.

It’s not though - see the tweet posted by SS..

 

[berbatrick]

Has there been any kind of street protests against the assault on Gaza in Israel so far? I’d imagine there’s a huge risk of escalation if that happened?

(not israeli, not an expert, but i do have a phd in following twitter)

on the streets, there is a small movement that seems to want to prioritise releasing hostages (which perhaps can't be done with this level of bombing). online, there are a few calling this barbaric, etc.
most of the rhetoric seemed to be escalatory.


the most remarkable one, made me cry, came from a hamas survivor, a day or two after the attack.

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didn't share it so far because it's obviously not representative of survivors, and honestly i wouldn't expect any survivors of such a brutal attack to respond like she did.

 

[VorZakone]

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This is the same video that is proven to not match the time stamp, right?

I think this is a different video but not sure.

 

[Andy_Cole]

Pretty sure I've just seen proof. Very good advice for everyone though!

Wrong

 

[RedDevil@84]

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This is the same video that is proven to not match the time stamp, right?

Maybe a dumb question. What happened to the rest of the barrage of missiles?

 

[ScholesyTheWise]

I need to repeat; Hamas and Islamic Jihad uses homemade rockets with small warheads and homemade fuel. There have been dozens, if not hundreds of misfires over the last few years, and all of them combined haven't managed to do as much damage as this one. It is extremely dubious, one might say impossible even, that this was caused by Qassam/al-Quds rocket.

Sadly, gone are the days when Hamas/Islamic Jihad only had homemade rockets. they have them nowadays, sure,
but they also have much more serious stuff.


That's not to say that I'm convinced about what happened in that hospital either way, just as an aside.

 

[Cloud7]

Staggering that people don’t believe Israel would bomb a hospital when the rhetoric all along has been that they deserve revenge and that they view the people in Palestine as animals. This seems par for the course for them.

 

[FriedClams]

Wish people would stop posting things that are likely to cause ptsd. NOTHING good can come from clicking on a video you know will show horrific images, NOTHING.

 

[Brown Toothpick]

Staggering that people don’t believe Israel would bomb a hospital when the rhetoric all along has been that they deserve revenge and that they view the people in Palestine as animals. This seems par for the course for them.

Western people still identify with Israel and wouldn't like to believe this is the side they've supported for years.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Wish people would stop posting things that are likely to cause ptsd. NOTHING good can come from clicking on a video you know will show horrific images, NOTHING.

People need to understand war and death. People living in areas of peace casually talk about war as if it were a game where they can pick sides and cheer when their side wins.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Pretty sure I've just seen proof. Very good advice for everyone though!

I'm going to take your confidence about proof with a grain of salt since you said this last week about the whole 'beheaded babies' thing:

You've got multiple soldiers, reporters, first responders confirming they've seen it and Israel has now officially confirmed it after a few days I suppose they needed to identify remains and inform families. That's enough for most people, including Biden clearly. People feverishly trying to claim misinfo about everything to do with this story aren't doing themselves any favours.

 

[Revan]

NATO has probably been accused of similar stuff back in the bombings of Yugoslavia...

Not sure it's true though. Not sure it matters, to be honest.

Israel killed more civilians in the first day of Gaza bombing than NATO did in 3 months of bombing Yugoslavia.

 

[Simbo]

I'm going to take your confidence about proof with a grain of salt since you said this last week about the whole 'beheaded babies' thing:

huh, what's wrong with what I said?

 

[Frosty]

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Interesting language used.

 

[The Corinthian]

huh, what's wrong with what I said?

You’ve been proven wrong about what you said. Just like this time, as well.

 

[Dobba]

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Interesting language used.

We don't need a word from that cnut.

 

[Amir]

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I thought it was a fake.

So I went to search for that Facebook page... And couldn't find it.

 

[The Corinthian]

I thought it was a fake.

So I went to search for that Facebook page... And couldn't find it.

It’s been deleted? It says that in the Twitter caption.

 

[Badunk]

More videos. Fathers holding bits of their children in carrier bags. Infants crying and screaming next to their injured mothers. Body parts strewn all over the place. Nothing is worth this. Nothing.

 

[Simbo]

You’ve been proven wrong about what you said. Just like this time, as well.

I haven't?

 

[ScholesyTheWise]

Israel killed more civilians in the first day of Gaza bombing than NATO did in 3 months of bombing Yugoslavia.

Which is why I said I don't think it (that NATO might have done it in the past) matters.
but what you said didn't contradict what I wrote.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

(not israeli, not an expert, but i do have a phd in following twitter)

on the streets, there is a small movement that seems to want to prioritise releasing hostages (which perhaps can't be done with this level of bombing). online, there are a few calling this barbaric, etc.
most of the rhetoric seemed to be escalatory.


the most remarkable one, made me cry, came from a hamas survivor, a day or two after the attack.

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didn't share it so far because it's obviously not representative of survivors, and honestly i wouldn't expect any survivors of such a brutal attack to respond like she did.

Wow. What an impressive kid. Bless her.

 

[Cloud7]

Western people still identify with Israel and wouldn't like to believe this is the side they've supported for years.

I don’t like being that guy, nor am I in any way trying to justify the atrocities they have committed, but imagine if it was Russia that did this, how different the response would have been. This stopped being about “Israel defending themselves” about two thousand civilian deaths ago.

 

[africanspur]

It’s been deleted? It says that in the Twitter caption.

As in the actual facebook page doesn't seem to exist on facebook

 

[ScholesyTheWise]

As in the actual facebook page doesn't seem to exist on facebook

Who would have thought, Twatter is filled with made-up shite regarding both sides... shock horror.

 

[The Corinthian]

The fact that Israel have changed their narrative on the hospital, edited their own published info, warned the hospital they’ll bomb it, and have history of bombing hospitals probably tells me they’ve done it.

 

[The Corinthian]

As in the actual facebook page doesn't seem to exist on facebook

Got you - deleted.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I find it hard incredibly to believe that Hamas suddenly produced what would probably be it's most powerful rocket ever and misfired it into a hospital.

 

[africanspur]

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Interesting language used.

Perhaps not the thread for this but I always find this kind of thing interesting. Humans have such a visceral reaction to violence but particularly to in your face violence.

Somehow beheading 40 babies becomes infinitely worse than just killing them, as if that wouldn't be bad enough. Gunning down 1000 people is much much worse than raining missiles and bombs on there from the skies or from an office somewhere far away at the press of the button.

And bombing (if this is Israel) a hospital is awful and beyond the pale and breaking international law, from the same people who earlier said that Israel basically has carte blanche to do as they wish and we stand with them unreservedly......but stopping water flowing and blockading essential medical supplies, leading to deaths from disease and subpar medical care.....not quite such a visceral reaction.

We're a funny species.

 

[RedTiger]

Wish people would stop posting things that are likely to cause ptsd. NOTHING good can come from clicking on a video you know will show horrific images, NOTHING.

Imagine how many of the 2mil in gaza suffer PTSD

 

[ManUtd1999]

Guys, please don’t post these kinds of images. We can imagine…

I saw one picture here and almost vomited. Jesus!

 

[The Corinthian]

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They did the same with this raid, and Shireen’s murder. Deny it and then admit to it when the world moves on. It’ll be the same with this hospital.

 

[RedTiger]

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Interesting language used.

He has to considering the labour party is all but disintegrating over this conflict.

 

[africanspur]

Who would have thought, Twatter is filled with made-up shite regarding both sides... shock horror.

Pretty much. The website is a cesspit at the best of times.

 

[Dan_F]

The fact that Israel have changed their narrative on the hospital, edited their own published info, warned the hospital they’ll bomb it, and have history of bombing hospitals probably tells me they’ve done it.

Plus the same hospital got damaged a few days ago. Seems unlikely the same hospital got hit by friendly fire twice in four days.

Personally, I won’t be speaking in certainties though. Best to be skeptical about news coming out of both sides until it can be verified.

 

[Superden]

I posted earlier this morning of how the Israelis have attacked healthcare facilities over 100 times according to the UN. So their defence that they don't attack healthcare is bs. And mark reger can climb back under the rock he seems to have recently crawled out of.

 

[moses]

5000 people all crammed together in a courtyard though?

Yeah. It's obscene. Israel and Palestine are not two sides of the same coin in any sense.