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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
They're just looking for support, this made as if the German is on their side and agreeing.
As if they need plane in siege mode against Civilians
I'm not sure why you quoted me in that?
Why are you calling it an "Arab conspiracy", when it's only one member of the GCC that is publicly pro-Hamas/-Iran?
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Because you didn't justify it. That was the point.
It does. Look at world/regional support for Palestinian civilians now compared to historically. They’re being marginalised as barely human, like Syrians or Iranians or whatever. Nobody really cares beyond platitudes. (By nobody I mean no governments;ordinary people obviously do)
To me, it looks like either Egypt accepts the eternal displacement of the entire Gaza population, or we are going to witness this population slaughtered while Israel do some Putin-like operation à la Grozny...
Israel will do the massacres, but Egypt will also bear a huge historical responsibility for this.
Israel will do the massacres, but Egypt will also bear a huge historical responsibility for this.
yep. Imagine our choices next are 4 more years of him or the orange megalomaniac.
I’ve been saying basically this for days. It’s not an uncommon thought amongst some circles. Idea is that 1) they don’t give a feck about Palestinian innocents 2) urban combat in Gaza is a wet dream for them 3) Israel’s brutality will justify them and increase recruitment and support
That said, they expected Israel to fight like Israel in the air strikes and artillery phrase pre invasion. Israel are currently acting closer to Russia and being especially brutal. Heard some calls for Adam even; unthinkable in a space like Gaza.
I didn't say a word about beheading babies
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Quite disappointing that this is happening in Germany in 2023..
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Feel like it depends on if it's Hezbollah proper or just a regional group(s) (read this article saying the issue for the US is you will likely get some eager regional Hezbollah commanders who attack without permission from the senior leadership, then you have to calculate if that warrants intervention). Most seem unsure re Hezbollah as a whole joining as then US will likely enter the war, at least in some capacity. Already talk of a 2nd aircraft carrier heading there.
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You see things like this, the Louie Thereoux doc, and it's hard not to despise the people involved.
I feel the same when I hear Muslim Clerics talk about Sharia Law, or Muslim leaders espouse utter nonsense to justify stoning people, or the Catholic Church saying utter disgusting things, I realised it's not antisemitism because I hate all fanatics, regardless of religion. It all makes my stomach turn.
Fanatical people are a bane on modern civilization. I truly despair.
I think that's the point, someone contended people used the subject of barbarism to justify wiping out Gaza and the poster quoted a load of comments to the contrary?
Corinthian said that people were using the decapitated babies story as justification for flattening Gaza. Laurencio was quoting reactions to that story, where nobody said that Gaza should be flattened.
I think Corinthian was referring to OUR reaction to the story on the Caf as an example of how this story (as misinformation) spread and got a visceral reaction. However, I think he was referring to others when he was talking about people calling for Gaza to be flattened. He said people, not posters.
He can clarify, though.
Even with cast-iron intel, you have to go through so much to verify something like this. Inquisitions, autopsies, family histories. No one is saying it didn't happen, most, if not all merely hope that, but proving it did happen this early is so far beyond the limits of what is possible (within margins of error which remove all potential for propaganda) that it is insane to speak/print it. Consider, the story gets told. It is amplified. Now, what incentive does Israel, even if it isn't true, have to walk that story back? If false, it will become evident within time (the same as if it's true). But if ambiguous or possible then Nethanhyu can say to other leaders, "we have direct reports/evidence of such a thing" based on much the same levels of confidence as the reporters' who cannot, themselves, verify it. So given Israel doesn't want anything but the world's support, same with Palestinians, if it were discovered to be false, now, there is no state-incentive to immediately dispell it. Whereas within the coming days and weeks, the reality of what did (or hopefully, didn't) happen will become evident beyond all possible "mere propagandistic usage".
If not true, and I hope it isn't, Mossad/Israeli intel, can merely claim "fog of war" (and so can the US president and press associations). But that's precisely why you wouldn't repeat or print the claim. Biden doesn't have much incentive to dispell it either even if he suspects general propaganda because he has to justify American support of Israel to a divided US audience.
Israel-Hamas war: White House retracts Biden's claims on ‘confirmed pictures’ of children beheadings
https://www.businesstoday.in/amp/la...ures-of-children-beheadings-401720-2023-10-12
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https://www.businesstoday.in/amp/la...ures-of-children-beheadings-401720-2023-10-12
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Cheers. I'm doing OK. Luckily I don't live too close to the Gaza strip - around 30 miles away - so the main danger is from the odd rocket which is fired towards my area. Several have landed in the area, one just a found hundred yards from my home.
Still, I don't really get out of the house unless it's neccesary. You never know when a rocket will be fired, so you always want to be around the saferoom at home. Plus, admittedly, I can't get the people near the Gaza strip who found armed terrorists in front of them in the street out of my head. Not too likely to happen here, but who knows. Once would be one too many...
@Murder on Zidane's Floor its anti cnutism not antisemitism! I wouldn’t worry about your hatred there, most moderate Israeli Zionist Jews hate those types!
I wish people would stop talking about beheaded babies. It’s upsetting emotionally, and really quite irrelevant to the whole situation, whether they were decapitated, strangeled or merely had their throats slit. They are dead, rest in peace.
I wish people would stop talking about beheaded babies. It’s upsetting emotionally, and really quite irrelevant to the whole situation, whether they were decapitated, strangeled or merely had their throats slit. They are dead, rest in peace.
He’s being melodramatic. No journalist enabled atrocities. The atrocities underway in Gaza are 100% the responsibility of Israel. And would 100% have happened with or without this misinformation being shared.
The level of hysteria around this beheaded babies myth (assuming it’s a myth) is fecking nuts. Hundreds of people, of all ages, were slaughtered by Hamas. That is what provoked the response we’ve seen so far. Not Chinese whispers about beheaded babies.
Dude chill. You've got multiple soldiers, reporters, first responders confirming they've seen it and Israel has now officially confirmed it after a few days I suppose they needed to identify remains and inform families.
That's enough for most people, including Biden clearly. People feverishly trying to claim misinfo about everything to do with this story aren't doing themselves any favours.
Ah fair enough, I read it back the whole way and it appears that way
You were among those who posted first when the news about the babies broke. The point is that no one on here advocated for the destruction of Gaza because of it.
Can we please stop talking about beheaded babies. It adds nothing to the discourse.
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Some light hearted humour from a big orange monkey to change the tone.
No, I'm not calling it that, that's the point. There are many influences and lobbies in the USA. Only one has the conspiracists frothing at the mouth.
So just to clarify, as of this very moment there is no electricity anymore in Gaza?
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Presidential material
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Anyone who speaks Hebrew confirm what he's saying?
Agree, I'll refrain from posting it.
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This has been shared on one of my groups: It's aimed at journalists but we could be useful to many of us here.
https://dartcenter.org/content/self-care-tips-for-news-media-personnel-exposed-to-traumatic-events
https://dartcenter.org/content/self-care-tips-for-news-media-personnel-exposed-to-traumatic-events
Someone has usually generated a translation in the comments somewhere:
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2nd most deadly attack on US citizens since 9/11.
Yep. Hezbollah is attacking from the North because Biden told them to! (thats Israels weakspot folks) Not because they are erm, based in the North and can't exactly attack from anywhere else.
I don't understand how their choices for president are this...thing, or Biden.Yes and it's amplified heavily by the recently rediscovered love of fascist nationalism across the globe
Okay he doesn't say anything in the video. Read the article though, an Israeli journalist who was at the site said he saw no evidence of any beheadings.
Can we please put this hateful rumor to test then?
Based on that translation, there's nothing out of the ordinary. Seems a regular message from a soldier to his viewers to keep a positive spirit.
What does the paraglider symbol mean?
The article linked (“grayzone”) is interesting though. Yer man does seem like a wrong ‘un. So can’t take anything he says at face value.