Russia could probably have got away with annexing Donbas too, were her aims limited to that. Nobody wants war with a major power.
War and tragedy crystallises support for your government even if they are evil or incompetent . In the same way that Israe hates bibi but support him for now, or the support for bush after 9/11, or countless other wartime administrations.
Another brainless post.
So Russia has the right to annex Ukraine if they win the war?
Is it?
Just like they did to Crimea....
Arent they in your 'philosophical question'?
I asked you a question? Because your point, if you actually believe that it's a good one leads to that conclusion. Maybe you don't agree with it in which case, your line of thinking becomes a bit strange but I prefer to ask for your explicit thinking.
That's such a poor analogy, I don't think you understand root cause. If you look at it properly you'd go beyond Hamas and ask, why do Hamas exist?
This horrendous leap in "logic" could be used to justify 9/11, Hamas' recent attack on civilians, and a whole bunch of other atrocities committed on civilian populations. You sure you want to follow through with this?
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No, he was not just indicating what a poll said. The context is important.
That's the point. It undermines their position to properly understand root cause.
That poll was from nearly 20 years ago.
My explicit answer is no.
Ok. Accept that.
Again you making assumptions I never expressed.
I'm usually a lurker her rather than a poster. I'll see myself out
Said Hamas leadership, moments prior to murdering whole families and destroying entire communities.
Don’t act innocent, no one’s falling for it.
here’s my response:
and to that post you said the below - a really childish response.
And now you moan and play the victim and question people’s intellect. Grow up.
Which means that the first post was a dishonest question and that the second was a dishonest point. You can't answer no to my question while at the same condoning Israel's actions in the West Bank based on the concept of spoils of war and also on the base of Israel being the one that took over the West Bank.
Armed revolutions against oppression too. And history is arguably kinder to those. Not sure what your point is.
You're paranoid and more importantly, utterly disingenuous.
Excellent summary.This probably requires at least correction or 2, so someone please make any they have:.
Basically Israeli policy towards Gaza since Sharon disengaged has been to occupy the air and sea and blockade it and bomb it whenever rockets are fired or anything violent happens from Gaza to Israel.
Israeli policy towards the West Bank is to build settlements there and take over the land piece by piece, perhaps stopping at some point, leaving a bunch of West Bank towns/cities under the control of Fatah, with no voting rights in Israeli elections. The closest comparison I've seen is the Bantustans of South Africa, because in indigenous reserves in say Canada the residents can vote in Canadian federal elections.
The settlers in the West Bank have a pretty green light to launch attacks without Israeli state organs (police, IDF) stopping them, because the attacks and land grabs are consistent with Israeli state policy. The major political opposition to these attacks and land grabs is the Israeli center, illustrated by the figure of Gantz (in the coalition now, fairly good odds to be next PM), who has supported stopping the attacks and land grabs by settlers, though he is against giving back any of the settlements created so far.
So basically, the settlers on the ground and the right in Israel and some of the center want to keep creating new settlements/land grabs. The center mostly wants settlement creation/land grabs to be decided by the state, not the settlers on the ground, or not done anymore, but also no settlements made before today to be razed or have the Jewish population evicted from those places.
The West Bank is being taken piece by piece by settlers who are generally expansionist and believe Israel should control all lands they can make a biblical claim to, but don't want a one state solution where the Palestinians get to vote in Israeli elections and can travel the country freely. They want the West Bank to be a mix of Israel, and Apartheid style Bantustans. The Netanyahu governments back them when they can get 61/120 seats without center votes and form a government, which they had before the War, but then they added in the center because Israeli convention is to be unified during a war, and likely also because the massive protests in Israel (Bibi and the right moved to reduce the power of the Supreme Court and Constitution) which meant the government was worried people wouldn't support the war effort unless someone like Gantz was in the war cabinet as well.
The center, like the center in many countries, doesn't love the right wing solution but doesn't oppose it, and effectively has no position on a long-term peace process, since that would mean either a one state solution (which they don't support) or a 2 state solution (which they sort of support in theory, but if they won't get rid of settlements, that would either be a state of patches of unconnected land (which I don't think has ever existed?) it would have to be only the Eastern half of the West Bank).
And in this specific case:
"Everything to the right" = more settlements in the West Bank, some of which are created via private settler attacks and some of which are state created.
"Block movement back to the left" = The state getting rid of those settlements.
Because you keep writing completely braindead stuff like this:
Firstly, half of them are under 18. Secondly, do you honestly find it that surprising that an oppressed populace support the only group fighting their oppressors? Periodically, at that, because support for Hamas tends to drop during calmer periods.
If US continues to unconditionally support Israel while they genocide Gaza, I think there is a high chance that Middle East is gonna orient itself towards China. With Russia also becoming a satellite of China in near future, that could be the end of the Western supremacy.
What do you expect when you ask a "philosophical question"?
It is even worse that that. Pretty much anyone who is 35 years old or younger has never voted in Gaza elections (cause they were younger than 18 when the last elections happen). That probably makes 2/3 of the people there who never voted.
By that logic all Israelites have to do time in the IDF so Hamas only kill soldiers
I don't think you do
The alternative to supporting Hamas is to just accept the brutality. It's a tricky choice.
All of it is true.
The ME is not a monolith though. Saudis will still want US military cooperation against Iran and their proxies.
I think China is already on the charm offensive with the Arab states. They’re already facilitating conciliatory talks between Saudi and Iran, who I believe have spoken again regarding the Gaza conflict. Their messaging on this conflict specifically has been extremely balanced, and much fairer than what we’ve seen from the West. That will only endear them further to pro-Palestinian states.
So if I understand you correctly. Proliferating unverified and sensationalist media and reports which add nothing to debate, but pour fuel on the fire of an already volatile situation where emotions are running high is acceptable.
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Do you have a link for that poll?
