NotThatSoph
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Where?Well, supportive in the sense no-one thinks he was deliberately being racist, but loads of abuse including dim, dumb, really thick, fecking idiot etc...
Where?Well, supportive in the sense no-one thinks he was deliberately being racist, but loads of abuse including dim, dumb, really thick, fecking idiot etc...
Totally with you.I had massive doubts about him, but man I cannot not love Onana. I really hope that penalty save is what sparks his career for us. He has the right mentality and is such a leader on the pitch. He didnt have to stand up for his team mate here but chose to do it.
Garnacho clearly isnt the sharpest knife in the drawer but it was clear he never meant that in a racist way.
Read the whole thread and you'll come across plentyWhere?
You can argue it is common sense not to post what Garnacho did.Totally with you.
He doesn’t just not have the weakest , flimsiest skin (ala Sancho and the kind of mob calling for Garnachos head), he’s also prepared to stand up for his team mate and call out the bullsh*t. That’s a player you want in your corner when the going gets tough.
This attack on common sense has to be challanged.
TeddyWhat kind of bear?
I understand why he used a gorilla, it signifies strength and power. I just think regardless of what the meaning was or is, it's just a simple case of knowing how using that particular emoji would be perceived and taken out of context in this instance.Yeah! Glad you said it because I'm lost for words. These guys really are dumb, their lifestyles must insulate them from the real world so much that it's unreal. After everything that's been happening, you would think...
False, brown bear.Teddy
Why would this even be a question? They are teammates complimenting eachother. Why would anyone even remotely think Garnacho meant to intentionally harm Onana?I'm certain Garnacho meant no harm, it's good Onana made a statement, however it doesn't simply end there. It's not a private conversation between the two players, this happened on social media viewed by millions and we don't get to chose who takes offence or finds it upsetting. A ban is unnecessary, but it does need looking into by the club, more social media training perhaps. You play for this club you have a responsibility to it fans.
GuardianWhere are you hearing that?
Because we live in a post-modern world where logic, common sense, etc are becoming less relevant in the public realm.Why would this even be a question? They are teammates complimenting eachother. Why would anyone even remotely think Garnacho meant to intentionally harm Onana?
Yeah, he did. Onana not taking offence is unfortunately irrelevant. There are lots of things friends might say to each other - with no offence taken - that would be completely inappropriate to say on a public forum.Didn't Mendy try to defend Silva?
It's not a question, to clarify i mean to cause harm beyond Onana, that's my point, it's not a conversation between two people, instagram is like this forum, I'm replying to you but I'm well aware others are reading this, in Garnacho's case millions can view what he says, players needs to remember this.Why would this even be a question? They are teammates complimenting eachother. Why would anyone even remotely think Garnacho meant to intentionally harm Onana?
Yep. I use "beast" word for lots of players. And i will keep doing it because, as you said, it is completely ridiculous to view that as offensive.I categorically disagree with that. I'd call Allison a beast of a goalkeeper. I call Haaland a beast. I call Hojlund a beast in terms of his physique. And Onana was a beast to win us that game on Tuesday.
If people want to pretend calling a sport person a beast offensive then I quite frankly think that's ridiculous.
Garnacho grew up in Spain. Spanish people know comparing black people to gorillas is something racists have done for a long time. Their fans do it enough to black players in La Liga. It has nothing to do with UK culture being sensitive to this. Everybody around the entire world knows the connotations here.The level of abuse Garnacho is getting here is bizarre. He deleted it quick when people flagged it could be misconstrued.
Some cultures aren't as hyper-sensitive about race like the UK and US when no offence is clearly meant.
man is a primate. Its the pathetic world of social media thats turned a beautiful animal as one thats now deem inferior and so racist per se. If such an emoji is used to insult i get it thats deemed as racist but if used to complement, comparing the strongest primate, the Gorilla to a man,s power how is that then racist. I standby my post, its a crazy stupid, hypersensitive do gooding world.You really don't understand why people have an issue with primates, in particular, being compared to black people?
You could argue that’s because of the stupid society we live in. Racism is all about intent and always has been.You can argue it is common sense not to post what Garnacho did.
No it isn't and hasn't.You could argue that’s because of the stupid society we live in. Racism is all about intent and always has been.
Well that right there is the big societal issue we should all be addressing. Do you think this is racist? If the answer is no then what actually is the issue?No it isn't and hasn't.
There are racist connotations and history regarding the comparison of black people to gorillas and in football cases of players being abused on social media after certain incidents by people posting a gorilla emoji which is intentional racism. Due to those racial connotations, despite Garnacho not meaning or trying to imply an association with the gorilla emoji and Onana's race, it is better to avoid doing so. It's unfortunate that due to these societal and historic issues that people jump to wrong conclusions in these instances but it is present and we have to be cautious due to that.Well that right there is the big societal issue we should all be addressing. Do you think this is racist? If the answer is no then what actually is the issue?
He compared a human to a gorilla.Comparing a black person to a gorilla is not racist?
InsaneYou could argue that’s because of the stupid society we live in. Racism is all about intent and always has been.
This is the text from the bottom of the link you posted.....Honestly, this "offended on behalf-of" circle-jerk is so toxic, and not helpful AT ALL to address the issues of institutional racism and discrimination.
For reference if you google "gorilla emoji meaning" you consistently get hits like this:
https://www.wikihow.com/What-Does-the-Gorilla-Emoji-Mean#:~:text=A emoji symbolizes strength and power.&text=It can also describe a,little rough around the edges.
A Gorilla emoji symbolizes strength and power.
We're just sooo primed for these racism issues in football that everything is interpreted in that context. Real action is needed, not banning young idiots who mean no harm.
Two humans. One white and one black. Magure and Onana. This needs to be repeated, as it's getting ignored.He compared a human to a gorilla.
The black part is only relevant if it was intentionally referenced by Garnacho. Which I doubt.
Bit in bold is important, no?This is text taken from the bottom of the link you provided.....
"Warning
Images of gorillas, apes, or monkeys are historically racist when they’re used to disparage or insult Black and African people. Be cautious when you use the (gorilla) emoji to avoid unintentionally offending someone."
Fair enough - I didn't even bother to read that far.. more fool me.This is text taken from the bottom of the link you provided.....
"Warning
Images of gorillas, apes, or monkeys are historically racist when they’re used to disparage or insult Black and African people. Be cautious when you use the (gorilla) emoji to avoid unintentionally offending someone."
Exactly. Two match winners were given the same accolade: strong, determined, powerful winners on a tough night.Two humans. One white and one black. Magure and Onana. This needs to be repeated, as it's getting ignored.
Well said. Baffling how in all the articles I’ve read on this and in the last 4 pages I haven’t seen a reference to the fact the emojis were in relation to Maguire too.Two humans. One white and one black. Magure and Onana. This needs to be repeated, as it's getting ignored.
Responding to somebody perceived to be lacking common sense in a manner that lacks common sense doesn’t seem like a sensible approach .You can argue it is common sense not to post what Garnacho did.
If he knew how it was going to look he wouldn’t have posted it. He deleted it immediately which also proves this. It’s a totally innocent mistake, this is such a fuss over nothing.Garnacho grew up in Spain. Spanish people know comparing black people to gorillas is something racists have done for a long time. Their fans do it enough to black players in La Liga. It has nothing to do with UK culture being sensitive to this. Everybody around the entire world knows the connotations here.
I don't think Garnacho meant it in a racist way, but he has to know how posting something like that is going to look. Yes, I do think he is dumb for posting this.
He posted a photo of 4 teammates, one of which was black. If you think that's racist, then I suspect that's your own subconscious speaking.The Cavani one was a shocking decision by the FA but I can’t get too interested in defending a player who posts a picture of a black teammate with gorilla images. He obviously meant no offence but just take the hit on this one (probably a three match ban) and move on.
Society has traditionally allowed young men in their teens to get away with many stupid things, it was usually dismissed as being... 'a jack the lad' escapade , or "he will grow out of it", or "he will settle down when he has some responsibility" etc.But then again, he is only 19. Most people are dumb at that age.