That’s what I recall too, wasn’t it not too long after the whole eye poking episode at real as well?Wasn't it Sir Bobby (RIP) who had serious reservations about Mourinho's character and lack of grace? Or did I imagine that?
That’s what I recall too, wasn’t it not too long after the whole eye poking episode at real as well?Wasn't it Sir Bobby (RIP) who had serious reservations about Mourinho's character and lack of grace? Or did I imagine that?
Also a true story, but if memory serves also that was meant to be more of an informal testing the waters remark to Pep at a previous meet up which Pep did not understand I think.He wanted pep but pep couldn't understand his Glasgow accent.
He's not exactly wrong about that.Wasn't it Sir Bobby (RIP) who had serious reservations about Mourinho's character and lack of grace? Or did I imagine that?
I still think Fergie's plan was for Giggs to sit in as his assistant for a season or two before taking the reigns himself.Why didn't he have his successor beside him on bench for a couple of seasons before he retired
The fact he was a) getting on a bit, b) on a rolling one year contract just compounds how bad the lack of planning was.Why did SAF have to choose anyone? This was our first mistake.
He had dinner with guardiola in New York that year. Guardiola gave no hint he was open to a new challenge elsewhere.Fergie knew retirement was coming up. He should have earmarked Pep while still at Barca.
Agree with you. I think he would have gone to 30 years in charge and quit.I still think Fergie's plan was for Giggs to sit in as his assistant for a season or two before taking the reigns himself.
Cathy's sister dying brought everything forward a by about three years, I reckon.
The fact he was a) getting on a bit, b) on a rolling one year contract just compounds how bad the lack of planning was.
The club should have been working on a succession plan for a while, with a constantly updated shortlist of managers. The fact we basically had to settle for Moyes but then gave him free-reign to do as he pleased with the backroom staff and transfer targets says it all.
It's taken you 10 years to realise that was a strange decision. Most United fans knew it was mental at the time.The more I look at it, the more that decision looked strange.
I know Mourinho is criticized for his need of transfer budget and his fondness of "old guards". However that will fit perfectly with the squad Fergie left behind. It still got tough players with great mentality like Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Carrick, Rooney... (Although they were getting on). But this was the perfect age for players that Mourinho loved. He could have steadied the United ship after Fergie's departure. When things hit a rough patch (usually in his 3rd season), the next manager can step in without such pressure.
Moyes had no chance to win that dressing room's respect because he was only a midtable manager in all his career. What do you expect? Those players played under Fergie himself. Only Pep and Mourinho (at that time) could command similar respect from those players. I think even Klopp may have struggled back then to win those players's trust and respect.
Mourinho was waiting for Fergie's call all that summer, yet he was snuffed. And Moyes was offered an impossible job. Mourinho could have fired all the backroom staffs and people would treat it as normal. Moyes did it and there were already drama before the season even began.
Moyes instead of Mourinho at that time would forever be a mystery to me.
Sir Bobby couldn't stand him. He made that known when Mourinho was Madrid manager.Wasn't it Sir Bobby (RIP) who had serious reservations about Mourinho's character and lack of grace? Or did I imagine that?
Maybe, but you tell him that if he ever does, consider MUFC first.He had dinner with guardiola in New York that year. Guardiola gave no hint he was open to a new challenge elsewhere.
Still our best manager post Fergiebecause mourinho is a wanker
Was wondering how far into the thread before someone actually pointed this out.Bollocks. Moyes was 5th choice. IIRC the club/Fergie spoke to Ancelotti, Pep, Mou. They all had agreed to move to other club.
To be honest that's quite a downgrade, no wonder Moyes didn't accept. Even now would any Premier League manager give up their job to Pep's no.2?There were many rumours around that time that SAF had asked Moyes to be his assistant, 2 years previously, so he could guide him into his job, but Moyes (apparently) didn't fancy giving up no.1 spot at Everton to be no.2 at OT.... and then to have to follow a legend like SAF....but then he did... go figure!
The more I look at it, the more that decision looked strange.
I know Mourinho is criticized for his need of transfer budget and his fondness of "old guards". However that will fit perfectly with the squad Fergie left behind. It still got tough players with great mentality like Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Carrick, Rooney... (Although they were getting on). But this was the perfect age for players that Mourinho loved. He could have steadied the United ship after Fergie's departure. When things hit a rough patch (usually in his 3rd season), the next manager can step in without such pressure.
Moyes had no chance to win that dressing room's respect because he was only a midtable manager in all his career. What do you expect? Those players played under Fergie himself. Only Pep and Mourinho (at that time) could command similar respect from those players. I think even Klopp may have struggled back then to win those players's trust and respect.
Mourinho was waiting for Fergie's call all that summer, yet he was snuffed. And Moyes was offered an impossible job. Mourinho could have fired all the backroom staffs and people would treat it as normal. Moyes did it and there were already drama before the season even began.
Moyes instead of Mourinho at that time would forever be a mystery to me.
I was under the impression that he waited until it was decided that he would not be our manager to accept Chelsea's offer. But you're right. It was not the whole summer as my memory was playing trick.
I think it's very likely Mourinho and Ancelotti turned us down in favour of joining Chelsea/Madrid respectively (and Pep had already joined Bayern), and so we ended up taking a chance on Moyes despite him being a different profile.Bollocks. Moyes was 5th choice. IIRC the club/Fergie spoke to Ancelotti, Pep, Mou. They all had agreed to move to other club.
Yes this is what I heard at the time, Sir Bobby favoured a British manager plus Jose's toxic character came into questionWasn't it Sir Bobby (RIP) who had serious reservations about Mourinho's character and lack of grace? Or did I imagine that?
Read Fergies book especially the timeline of events and tell me if you still think it's bollocks. Remember SAF only came out with that Moyes was 5th choice stuff after it went tits up for Moyes.Bollocks. Moyes was 5th choice. IIRC the club/Fergie spoke to Ancelotti, Pep, Mou. They all had agreed to move to other club.
And then Saf didn't do the rounds to speak to Ancelotti or Klopp until late April 2013, Klopp says he wasn't offered a job and neither did Ancelotti really. This was obviously part of a due dilligence exercise on behalf of the club to see if anyone was actually available for the next year so late in the season. Unsurprisingly none of the top managers were available because they'd already all agreed to go to new clubs.His admission over his role in drawing Moyes away from Everton will come as no surprise to Evertonians, however. Moyes had been putting off talk of a new deal at Goodison for months and Ferguson confirms that, starting in February, he urged his fellow Scot on a few occasions not to sign a new contract. [Moyes] phoned me around February for some advice about his contract, they were pushing him to sign a new contract," Sir Alex says. "I said to him, 'do not sign a new contract'.
I knew in myself I was going to retire, so I'm thinking If he signed a contract it would be more difficult for us.
I said to him you've had ten years there that's long enough, you'll get a bigger club.
I kept phoning David to make sure he wasn't going to sign a new contract.
We had to wait till the League was decided. Once the League was decided I got David over to the house and I think he thought we were going to talk about his contract again, but I said, 'look, I'm retiring, I want you to take over'. He was flabbergasted.�
Once SAF decided to retire I believe he was his first choice yes. He might not have been the clubs first choice but then the club left it to SAF to appoint his own successor.Moyes was first choice was he?
I don't know. He said retirement in 2012 was an option, until the way we lost the league changed that.Agree with you. I think he would have gone to 30 years in charge and quit.
I think he was hoping Moyes could be another version of him. Same nationality. Coming from a smaller club. He was a believer of giving chances to someone he thought earned it.If given a free choice he would have picked all of Mourinho, Klopp and Pep ahead of Moyes....
Indeed.Somehow I always doubted the idea that a club that sought the likes of Pep, Mourinho, Ancelotti and Klopp, ended up saying "Just did it to Moyes for six years".
Klopp was never offered the job. In 2013 anyway.Didn’t fergie want klopp originally but he wanted to stay at Dortmund for another year.
In hindsight maybe, but you are talking about one of the most successful managers of all time, you'd be nuts not to take serious note of what he suggestedWhy did SAF have to choose anyone? This was our first mistake.
Gil??Because the people from the board did not know anything about football?