Different people have different opinions, and there are a lot of people so you can see a lot of, what are ultimately, opposing opinions.I kind of understand what you mean. People always talk a tonne of shit about English players.
There was a lot of people that wanted us to sign this guy. Even though he has zero ability on the ball.
I don't agree that foreign players are always overrated, though. I do think fans have gone from overrating English players to underrating them over the last decade.
Bellingham or Kane.Yes like sancho maguire rice grealish kalvin phillips ben white.
People also find many of those players cost way too much and say as much. The conspiracy you're looking for isn't there.Bellingham or Kane.
What about Coutinho? Hazard? Even Neymar in comparison to expectations? Ronaldo at Juventus? Jaoa Felix? Lukaku? Greizmann, Pogba? Dembele? Mudryk? Antony?
It’s always viewed as England vs everybody else & all I ever do is show that everybody else is not all that great either.
It's no biggie really. He genuinely looked a promising player when he joined Leicester at 20 odd years of age. He turned out to be fairly mediocre. It's a tale of many a PL player.Ndidi is one of those classic ‘why aren’t we buying him’ types who inevitably turn out to be fairly shite. Ten-a-penny.
You're like Brexit Batman, well done, keep it up.Bellingham or Kane.
What about Coutinho? Hazard? Even Neymar in comparison to expectations? Ronaldo at Juventus? Jaoa Felix? Lukaku? Greizmann, Pogba? Dembele? Mudryk? Antony?
It’s always viewed as England vs everybody else & all I ever do is show that everybody else is not all that great either.
Exactly.I kind of understand what you mean. People always talk a tonne of shit about English players.
There was a lot of people that wanted us to sign this guy. Even though he has zero ability on the ball.
I don't agree that foreign players are always overrated, though. I do think fans have gone from overrating English players to underrating them over the last decade.
he got Brendaned, pre Rodgers he'd be out harassing someone on the right wing 1 minute and snuffing out an attack at left back the next, his tackling and athleticism are his strengths and we willingly nullified one of themIt's no biggie really. He genuinely looked a promising player when he joined Leicester at 20 odd years of age. He turned out to be fairly mediocre. It's a tale of many a PL player.
Mount for us. An overrated steady Eddy. Rice for Arsenal. A pashun merchant.
Ramsdale is the most overrated keeper in the league and Raya is a decent upgrade. He's no Onana though.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/john-stones-over-rated.433642/Midfield Maguire. Overrated as feck thank God this time it was arsenal and not us with that weird English obsession.
Been seeing a lot of things on social media putting Stones in the best centre backs of the league. There was a post from a bookies putting him in the best centre backs of United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal as they all play today.
He is so over hyped because he is English and ‘good on the ball’. If City were not so good going forward then that defence would get exposed, especially Stones.
Do you believe he is over rated or he actually is one of the best centre backs in the league?
But, the same can be said about players of every single nationality.@Robbie Boy - I don’t make this up.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/john-stones-over-rated.433642/
Nice thread.
Aye, people are making out like he's always been some clown. He was very good initially for Leicester, and I recall he would regularly end up high up in stats for DM's.he got Brendaned, pre Rodgers he'd be out harassing someone on the right wing 1 minute and snuffing out an attack at left back the next, his tackling and athleticism are his strengths and we willingly nullified one of them
This is what I’m saying though?But, the same can be said about players of every single nationality.
Antony has gotten all kind of pressure so not sure what your point there is. Same with Pogba. His every miss pass was overly scrutinized and mocked. Lukaku has been universally trolled. Mudryk has already been termed a flop by many. Hazard has been mocked for his time at Madrid.Bellingham or Kane.
What about Coutinho? Hazard? Even Neymar in comparison to expectations? Ronaldo at Juventus? Jaoa Felix? Lukaku? Greizmann, Pogba? Dembele? Mudryk? Antony?
It’s always viewed as England vs everybody else & all I ever do is show that everybody else is not all that great either.
But, players of every nationality are. Look at the stick Antony gets for what he cost, even Casemiro was getting grief early on for his price tag. Plenty have decided Hojlund cost way too much.This is what I’m saying though?
Why are French players never talked about for being overpriced or Overrated?
Portuguese players with Jaoa Felix and now possibly Ramos? Juventus Ronaldo?
Brazilian players that have been flops? Do you ever hear - Brazilian players are overrated or overpriced? And if you do :
Do you hear more of that in comparison to English players being overrated and overpriced?
Of course they did because they are all flops or flopping so getting the pressure - I’m not doubting that they are flops, I’m doubting what happens after that.Antony has gotten all kind of pressure so not sure what your point there is. Same with Pogba. His every miss pass was overly scrutinized and mocked. Lukaku has been universally trolled. Mudryk has already been termed a flop by many. Hazard has been mocked for his time at Madrid.
Your point that if ndidi was an english player he would have been mocked doesn't make any sense. Ndidi is not a high budget player to be mocked. It was you who said English players get unnecessary scrutiny when in reality it is not overly true.
And this is why I will always say it on this thread every chance I get.But, players of every nationality are. Look at the stick Antony gets for what he cost, even Casemiro was getting grief early on for his price tag. Plenty have decided Hojlund cost way too much.
You hear more about English players costing too much because:
A) English clubs add ridiculous premiums to a-lot of English players;
B) You support the PL, an English league. As such, you live in a bubble where you hear the most news, opinions etc. about that league and it's players.
Some English players are overrated and overpriced and people will point it out. It is what it is.And this is why I will always say it on this thread every chance I get.
I don’t wear a tshirt and protest about it on the street everyday - I say that English players are not overrated & overpriced on this thread because most of this forum are watching an English Club, an English league, ultimately in an England bubble, watching both from England and many abroad & yet ultimately believe the opposite to me, that England players are overrated and overpriced and cry about signing such players as I proved.
So I will use every opportunity I have to say the opposite as a minority to the majority.
Agreed but this forum targets English players much more than others because as you said - it’s in that England bubble.Some English players are overrated and overpriced and people will point it out. It is what it is.
Some Brazilian, Portuguese and Spanish etc. players are overrated and overpriced too.
He did, but it also underlines that there is no guarantee when buying promising players further down the league. The big Jessie’s who get all upset when we don’t sign every Tom, Dick, Harry or Wilf should refer to examples like this.It's no biggie really. He genuinely looked a promising player when he joined Leicester at 20 odd years of age. He turned out to be fairly mediocre. It's a tale of many a PL player.
Have you been to Antony's thread. There are many who call him a pub level footballer. Lukaku while playing for us got dog abuse.Of course they did because they are all flops or flopping so getting the pressure - I’m not doubting that they are flops, I’m doubting what happens after that.
Why are English players called overrated and overpriced when the same/near same amount of Brazilian, Portuguese, French, Belgian, Argentinian flop for big prices aswell?
Do you hear that Brazilian as a Nationalilty is overrated and overpriced?
Belgian?
Portuguese?
I definitely hear much more of a complaint at English players for being overpriced and overrated as a Nationality of football players & so so so many go to win CL’s nearly every season.
Well, there's an element on here who seem to think we should sign everyone in the PL after one good season, so I agree with you on that. The vast majority that flourish early on, don't amount to much.He did, but it also underlines that there is no guarantee when buying promising players further down the league. The big Jessie’s who get all upset when we don’t sign every Tom, Dick, Harry or Wilf should refer to examples like this.
By the fans yes, it might, not by the club though, they are too concentrated on the Cucurella dealSurely this fella is worth a mention as a back up to Cas?
Big fan of him as a player and he'd be great competition for Casemiro. Niggling injuries appear to be his issue the last couple of seasons? I can't imagine he'd be very expensive currently. Still only 26.Surely this fella is worth a mention as a back up to Cas?
Agree. Not too long ago, he was talked about one of the best defensive midfielders in the league. With Leicester relegated, he can't be that expensive. He would obviously choose us over Forest.Big fan of him as a player and he'd be great competition for Casemiro. Niggling injuries appear to be his issue the last couple of seasons? I can't imagine he'd be very expensive currently. Still only 26.
Might be worth a punt.
Absolute bargain at that rate surely. The was talked about as a £80m player not so long ago.he's not playing as a 6 for us this season he's playing as one of the 8s and playing well, scored and assisted Vardy last night in the league cup and scored in the previous round too. Looks like he's finally over the niggling injuries, I think a fee between £15-20m would probably see us sell but I don't think we are actively looking to do so
I thought he was a perfect replacement for Fabinho guess his injuries and form put pay to a big move for him, I'd be happy to keep him even though he's not a perfect fit for our system he's really effectiveAbsolute bargain at that rate surely. The was talked about as a £80m player not so long ago.
I knew he wasnt useful on the ball. I just checked and he is somehow worse than mctominay with the ball at his feet. The only thing he does better than mctominay with the ball is attempt more passes.He'd be a good signing as a rotation option for Casemiro. I think his passing is good enough that he could probably play with him in some games too.
he's better on the ball than he often gets credit for but struggled majorly when Rodgers wanted him to become PirloI knew he wasnt useful on the ball. I just checked and he is somehow worse than mctominay with the ball at his feet. The only thing he does better than mctominay with the ball is attempt more passes.
I meant if you played him alongside Casemiro it would be bad. Next to Eriksen with Bruno ahead he would be fine.he's better on the ball than he often gets credit for but struggled majorly when Rodgers wanted him to become Pirlo
Not sure this team needs more players who can't effectively pass a ballSurely this fella is worth a mention as a back up to Cas?
But how many French players (high price/ profile) underperformed? Benzema (worth every penny RM Paid for him). Varame ( bought for 20m by Rm). Kante (well worth what Chelsea paid for him). Pogba Can be said to be a flop, but he was in an absolute circus of a situation.Why are French players never talked about for being overpriced or Overrated?
In the book" Soccernomics" (published around 2009) , it was mentioned that two nationality to avoid buying were Brazilian and Dutch (obvious, there is no such premium on Dutch players at the moment ) because they were overpriced in the transfer market. There is no way, for example, Fred costs 50 mil if he is from Moldova. Brazilian players (especially those preceived to have offensive skills) do have a premium in the transfer market (based on their nationality) that is independent of their accomplishments (see Neymar when he joined Barca, Antony).Brazilian players that have been flops? Do you ever hear - Brazilian players are overrated or overpriced? And if you do :
English/ British players have a premium associated with them because of their nationality. It doesn't necessarily mean they are bad players, but there is a premium. Part of the premium is due to marketing, a good looking guy ( who is excellent at football) and who speaks English will have lot of marketing opportunities ( not just in Europe, but also America, China, and a lot of other Asian countries too); also, they might be given an easy ride by the tabloid media (see Harry Maguire vs. Depay). So, it shouldn't neccessarily be looked as someone saying someone is not good. This is why, for example, a club night be willing to pay the premium; Yes, the player may flop, but the executive might not get as big a battering in the media if the player is British.I definitely hear much more of a complaint at English players for being overpriced and overrated as a Nationality of football players & so so so many go to win CL’s nearly every season.
If we are looking at a CM from Villa, it should be Kamara.Not for me. Bit of a myth like Tielamans, Schneiderlin etc.
Don't think he's good enough for a top 4 team.
The one I wish we had signed at the time was Bissouma. I think in the prem from "lower" teams Paulinha is great but we waited too long and now everybody realises he's great. Douglas Luiz is also a really good player but we will wait until the media start talking about him
I disagree to be honest but I'd rather him that Ndidi.If we are looking at a CM from Villa, it should be Kamara.
