Fair enough. I think we'll agree to disagree on this one, and perhaps hone in on other contemporary points in this thread.
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
You make a valid point.
The issue for me are how these laws, antiquated or otherwise are being interpreted and to what means, or rather the consistency of which they're being enforced. Its why I brought up the ongoing Ukraine conflict as a yard stick, since to most in the western world there is little to no ambiguity over the violations perpetrated by the Russians, nor is there any debate over the semantics of terminology used to validate these crimes. Accusations of targeting civilians, genocide and other classifications under the 'war crime' umbrella are aimed at the Russians with little to no scrutiny over their authenticity or validity. Contrast that to Israel, where you can use this thread as a microcosmic case study as to how its suddenly deemed paramount that we scrutinise these claims, despite the overwhelming consensus amongst various charitable, human rights and relief organisations that Israel are guilty of these same crimes.
Even if we were to refresh these conventions to apply to the modern realities of warfare, I don't think we'd succeed in establishing objective markers for the rules of war. Instead we'll still see them used selectively to condemn or absolve various factions based on geopolitical or personal agendas.
Israeli hostages being handed to the red cross right now in Khan Younis.
12 Thai nationals released so far.
That too. I’m assuming the Thai government negotiated those independently.
The Thais went through Iran and got it sorted quick enough.
People aren't arbitrarily claiming it, a ground swell of subject matter experts are stating it, and laymen are agreeing, based on the arguments being put forward by those experts.
Great news. These poor Thai nationals were just looking for living.
So, we expect a total of 25 today to be released. Far from being a complete list, but a good development.
Surprised they haven't called them Pre-Adults.
He's anticipating what's coming.
Good take.
Regarding the bolded, when a future retaliation inevitably happens (assuming the status quo continues), the discourse will be right back here again with "OMG 8/4 (Or whatever the date is), antisemitism! Israel has a right to defend herself! Hamas charters!" without any understanding for why said events have happened.
Such as?
There have been numerous articles and videos posted in this thread. There was a Raz Segal video in the last few pages on it, here is an article stating similar: https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...euters),grave violations" committed by Israel
I hope they get as many of them as possible and then bring the thunder on the scum. I do not hope, they will.
The trouble for Hamas is they will be incentivized to stop swapping hostages at some point (probably when they are left with mostly only Israeli males and IDF soldiers) because continuing to give away hostages will only decrease their leverage and invite the Israelis to eventually blow up or flood the entire tunnel network. Will be interesting to see what happens after the four days and whether Hamas opt to extend on a day by day basis.
Yep, subjugation is not a goal in itself but a prelude to mass expulsion, and the destruction of the city's civilian infrastructure will be framed as a compelling reason for a 'humanitarian' ethnic cleansing, but to pursue such a goal is detached from reality when countries are already announcing red lines regarding this, not to mention the fact that Palestinians themselves won't let a Nakba occur again. I don't believe it'll happen, but I believe extremist voices won't want to waste the opportunity of pursuing it.
The idea that Israel allowed 7th October to occur doesn't seem convincing to me, it's likely going to prove fatal for Netanyahu, the final outcome of this war remains unpredictable, and now Israelis will feel that no matter how many billions have been spent on defence and security, it can be overcome through a comparatively unsophisticated weapons and technology, that's not a feeling that Israel's security apparatus will want its citizens to have.
He's picked the worst possible path.
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isnt this violating the truce ?
I vote for whom I believe would defend American democracy. This conflict doesn’t change that. Regardless, Biden did his best in this terrible and tragic situation. He managed to prevent a regional war, and today we see potentially some end (I know that’s it’s just a pause, but who knows if this wouldn’t develop into a larger ceasefire). He also did well with the Ukraine.
Biden has my vote.
How so?
I completely agree, and re-establishing a reputation of invincibility will be unrealistic if Israel returns to a status quo of occupation after all this, a more sophisticated or brutal occupation can be enforced but there'll be the latent awareness that it'll only provide Israelis with security until it doesn't. There has to be a recognition of the urgency to reach a proper and fair solution to this, otherwise we'll be in this thread every twenty years repeating our conversation.
The voice of sanity.
come on bro, only Palestinians can break a truce, Israelis have the trump card of "security concerns" when they start firing. It's a ok, truce still in place.The world went crazy when isealis were taken hostages. Now, in this exchange, israel is returning tens of Palestinian hostages taken years ago without anyone noticing (caring). The world we live in is absolute shit.
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What was the recent spat between Trump and Netanyahu?
Spain, for example.
I don't know who's more stupid - the creators of Israeli propaganda, or the consumers of it
There’s plenty of propaganda to go around on both sides. Even worse, most people seemed to get a one sided, heavily curated version of events from feeds they follow because they already agree with.
Ah yes, nothing counts until it's a legal ruling. Nice work!
In the area that is under complete control of terrorists from Hamas? Of course.
Oh my.
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How long until the released Palestinians are targeted and re-arrested?
Almost immediately I imagine
How so? Biden and his adm
Biden is complicit in genocide and is also responsible for killing babies. He's a despicable man and the sooner he's out of office, no matter who comes in, America will be a better place.
Yeah, no.
I for one welcome the new dictatorial overlords
You can't possibly believe this.