Moriarty
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Just fyi for future reference using that term like that means that SAF was a terrible manager.
Just fyi for future reference using that term like that means that SAF was a terrible manager.
Why so ? Unless this manager is proven for you, or brought you actual success, you shouldn't take sides blindly based on nothing. Better to evaluate the situation on even basis and see whose side will be of more value to the club.Not saying he will, I am saying I don't know and you don't know. The manager should always be ahead of the players and get our support over players. The club matters, the managers authority over players matter, players in terms of disputes or fallouts do not matter club first always.
I disagree with this especially when the manager is establishing himself just as much as these players. Its only viable to back a manager in this type of regard when the said individual has credibility on a very high level (given the size of the club).Not saying he will, I am saying I don't know and you don't know. The manager should always be ahead of the players and get our support over players. The club matters, the managers authority over players matter, players in terms of disputes or fallouts do not matter club first always.
Because you cannot run an enterprise that way, One person i:e the manager needs to have absolute authority otherwise you get all the shit with player power and such, the boss is the boss and within reason what he says goes. It does not matter what the boss of anything has accomplished or not it is detrimental to have subordinates questioning his authority. The only situation where in any enterprise it would be acceptable is if the subordinates were experienced and the boss was not.Why so ? Unless this manager is proven for you, or brought you actual success, you shouldn't take sides blindly based on nothing. Better to evaluate the situation on even basis and see whose side will be of more value to the club.
But what type of work atmosphere are you describing ? Because it sounds like one which in some ways is definitive of what we are seeing this season instability. What your saying is the type of leadership in a larger scale company where everyone is essentially a payroll number and easily dispensable if needing to be replaced, idealisms that were cultivated in the expanse of the industrial age.Because you cannot run an enterprise that way, One person i:e the manager needs to have absolute authority otherwise you get all the shit with player power and such, the boss is the boss and within reason what he says goes. It does not matter what the boss of anything has accomplished or not it is detrimental to have subordinates questioning his authority. The only situation where in any enterprise it would be acceptable is if the subordinates were experienced and the boss was not.
In simple terms if an employee knows more than the boss which players by definition do not since they have never managed.
How has he picked a “silly fight” with Varane?If you can't see why this is a very silly fight to take in the middle of the season when we're playing badly and threadbare with injury then I don't know what to say. Take the fight in the summer if you really want to, don't put yourself in a position where you're falling out with players in the middle of the season because of one game. He's picking fights for no reason and then people are making excuses for him, "We've got to play Evans because Varane's a baby" etc. That might be true, but keep your mouth shut until the end of the season and deal with it then.
I mean it’s been shown that he doesn’t drop certain underperforming players in general.How has he picked a “silly fight” with Varane?
Unless you believe players who’ve performed well in the past should never be dropped in case it upsets them.
There is nothing "clearly" here at all, because no one here knows what is happening behind the scenes.I mean it’s been shown that he doesn’t drop certain underperforming players in general.
His man management clearly sucks for a top club. Varane hasn’t had an issue with anyone he’s played under his whole career until now.
The only one with absolute authority should be the board or CEO, unless the manager is so good he has become at their level like Ferguson, otherwise, the manager is just an employee like the players and are all under the authority of the club's board.Because you cannot run an enterprise that way, One person i:e the manager needs to have absolute authority otherwise you get all the shit with player power and such, the boss is the boss and within reason what he says goes. It does not matter what the boss of anything has accomplished or not it is detrimental to have subordinates questioning his authority. The only situation where in any enterprise it would be acceptable is if the subordinates were experienced and the boss was not.
In simple terms if an employee knows more than the boss which players by definition do not since they have never managed.
He meant it in regards to the players, which he is right about. No player can be above the manager, ever.The only one with absolute authority should be the board or CEO, unless the manager is so good he has become at their level like Ferguson, otherwise, the manager is just an employee like the players and are all under the authority of the club's board.
This blind way of taking sides is the easiest way to create a toxic environment. You want to blindly side with an employee even if he's at wrong at something just because he's at a higher position than another employee while that former one hasn't given the club anything more than the later. The players will just get his arse out of the club if they decide to, because the club won't sell the entire squad for one person.He meant it in regards to the players, which he is right about. No player can be above the manager, ever.
We have some difficult games coming up. Can't see ETH surviving Christmas.At this rate, he's going to fall out with himself soon.
Meh, that sounds like cope to just support a manager no matter what. This isn’t the first time Varane has ever been dropped in his career, yet it’s clearly the first time he’s fallen out this hard with a manager. And he isn’t the only one. It’s pretty obvious ETH doesn’t seem to know how to handle any sort of personalities at the moment. Equating him to Fergie just because he’s being “ruthless” is fecking stupid as Fergie clearly knew when and who to be hard with and who to allow leniency with.There is nothing "clearly" here at all, because no one here knows what is happening behind the scenes.
Do you genuinely feel it’s within Ten Hags and the teams best interests at this point in the season to call out your best fit defender because he played too many square balls in the city game?How has he picked a “silly fight” with Varane?
Unless you believe players who’ve performed well in the past should never be dropped in case it upsets them.
It’s a good job literally no one watches him or takes him seriouslySee that snivelling little rat Goldbridge is turning on him already over the Varane story. That bloke is a red top newspaper in human form.
When Ten Hag builds even 10% as much credit in the bank as SAF did then maybe people would see it that way. Btw many people were unhappy with both decisions at the time but grew to like it as Fergie was proven right over time.I wonder what you all will say if Fergie was out there falling out with Beckham and Roy Keane today. Let's not forget, one got injured for his troubles.
Has anyone said the player deserved to start? The question is, is this really necessary in the middle of the season?For those that are saying Ten is poor or at fault with Varane, has the player deserved to start?
Also managers more experienced and with more accolades have fallen out with top players. Maybe criticise the methods but using that as criteria to judge is unfair.
What tantrum exactly do you think Varane has put up?Glad that the manager is doing something with the player power. Whiney players who moan when dropped due to poor form will only benefit us in the long way. We need this kind of manager if we are gonna end up anywhere. Imagine a player whining and putting up tantrums like Sancho and Varane if it was Pep. They would get sold instantly.
Back the manager, we dont need players running the team
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I would say that no individual player should be above the manager, but at the same time there are times (like Mourinho) where it is the manager's own fault that they turn a significant amount of the dressing room against them. In that situation, the club definitely shouldn't back the manager.He meant it in regards to the players, which he is right about. No player can be above the manager, ever.
We kind of did last season in the opening two games and... at Anfield. Some of the people who will say now that he's right are among the fans who want immediate results and keep arguing that the manager has to adapt to the squad he's inherited.Tweet
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Damn it! This guy always seems to say the right things
He is spot on.
I can only imagine the reaction the manager would get if we played like Spurs did with 9 against Chelsea but stick to the way you play hey guysImpossible to play like Aja.. nvm
Times have changed since then. Players are a lot weaker now mentally and have a lot more power to upset the rest of the changing room. You don’t see all these fall outs over at city or Liverpool. No team can be successful if you have players/managers that don’t get along. They won’t play to their 100% best.I wonder what you all will say if Fergie was out there falling out with Beckham and Roy Keane today. Let's not forget, one got injured for his troubles.
Better than how we played with 10 against Copenhagen which will see us crash out of the CL this week.I can only imagine the reaction the manager would get if we played like Spurs did with 9 against Chelsea but stick to the way you play hey guys