Butt greenwood is far better at shooting than both of those two. I’d rather see him shooting the most as he’s simply the most likely player to put it in the back of the net.
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They are not remotely comparable. I don't need to watch a YouTube compilation to know that Balotelli never had the dribbling, agility or finishing ability that Greenwood had as a teenager.
Balotelli would sporadically smack one in the top corner from 25 yards and then be anonymous for the next 10 games. Greenwood was consistently taking on his man and scoring.
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Nah balotelli was always very overrated. Overly reliant on his physical gains as a youngster. His attitude obviously was a massive factor in the rest of his development but he was never that naturally talented.
I'm sure some of the players wouldn't want to play with a heavily suspected woman beater and rapist
One can in good faith argue that his behavior was undeniably appalling but that his reconciliation with the victim of his abuse is sincere. If the latter is believable, one can see how a return to OT for the man can be defended.
Don’t have time to respond in detail but you are posting your opinion like it’s a fact. Your name calling is an indicator of some kind of real issue you have with him or this incident because it’s clearly something your feel real anger about. Which is fine, but it doesn’t make your point more valid.
The stats you quote are so marginal that they don’t really indicate anything of significance toward the point you’re trying to proves. You engage in complete guesswork about other players posting on social media being an indication of their views on the player. You say Greenwood was isolating himself from the group - when the whole dressing room was actually split. The other things you describe are the same types of things that many young talented players with excess are accused of. Those player either go one way or the other. He may very well be a Ravel Morrison and waste his gifts. But maybe he will cop on and make something of himself. he is the exact age where we will find out - for you to categorically write off the guy in such a damning way is nonsensical - unless you just don’t like him…and in that case just say that, don’t try prove you are right with weak inferences.
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I will be genuinely shocked to see him back at United. Genuinely.
The naysayers trying to say he's a poor footballer who would worsen our side ffs! They probably think Amad will be our saviour come on.
I've watched most of the Getafe games and Greenwood has grown into a somewhat different player who gets far more involved in number 10 and 8 positions a he rifts across the pitch in a fairly free role, passing and knitting play. Playing in Mayoral whenever he can. He is streets ahead of all our wingers at this moment despite only having 6 months behind him in the last few years. Don't believe me though believe the Getafe manager who loves him, believe even Griezman who recognised his quality in the last game and believe Mayoral who has flourished with him as Hojlund should have.
I've watched most of the Getafe games and Greenwood has grown into a somewhat different player who gets far more involved in number 10 and 8 positions a he rifts across the pitch in a fairly free role, passing and knitting play. Playing in Mayoral whenever he can. He is streets ahead of all our wingers at this moment despite only having 6 months behind him in the last few years. Don't believe me though believe the Getafe manager who loves him, believe even Griezman who recognised his quality in the last game and believe Mayoral who has flourished with him as Hojlund should have.
How does his goals and assists across those full 49 league games compare to players of the same age as him?
Amad is a bigger talent as a winger/playmaker, Greenwood's skillset and game is better suited as a striker.
Amad has only shown himself at Championship level, when he has been in our side this year he was dissappointing, nobody should be holding out for too much for him although I hope to be wrong
The case collapsed due to the removal of her testimony and NEW evidence surfacing. Everyone seems to just ignore that part.
The club from internal reviews and probably haven been given access to that new evidence came to the same conclusion as the police that there is nothing strong enough or just nothing to charge him with due to the new evidence.
If reports were true the club were all set to bring him back until the social media backlash, then they buckled under that showing the lack of leadership at the club and did a U turn. They thought it best to pass the problem down the road.
Off topic but having been watching him recently he’s Uniteds best forward/player currently. He’d walk in to any position right now in the front 3.
I can sympathize with young players being a bit selfish at first and needing some time to find themselves in a complex environement as ours.
But Greenwood was starting his third season with the first team when Ronaldo joined and surely he was warned on what the film was about with Ronaldo there. Not only he ignored it but he also became even more selfish than before. We should expect young players to improve but the tendency with MG was more negative each time.
If a young player was emerging at Barcelona and all he did was shooting and ignoring Messi for 5 months, he doesn't last the january transfer market as a Barcelona player even if he was perceived as the new Pelé. The thing is nobody is stupid enough to behave like that so it's difficult to find comparisons with Greenwood in football.
In the end we have what we deserve, a club with a rotten culture where any idiot thinks he's above the club and can do whatever, all while he gets cheered by the masses with our managers and directors trying to hide the garbage under the carpet. I don't mean about MG alone but in general. Thankfully I expect things to change soon.
I agree on your point about his pass completion, he was fine on possession here but mainly playing safe. He's a cold-blooded player and there's an element of composure there, but he wasn't being creative at United and he isn't now at Getafe either.
His passing stats on Fbref are quite poor this season (total number, completion, and progressive passes he's one of the worst in Europe) so I doubt he can become a complete attacker. He lacks the creative spark, and even if he's taking on players more than before his success % is nothing impressive (27th percentile). I concede he wasn't fit and he can improve in the next months, but even then the general picture remains the same for me. Potentially a good dynamic finisher but he's flawed from many angles.
And just a final comment aside, responding to the thread in general. The game against Atletico was amazingly overrated. Atletico are a defensive team, left with 10 men after 30 minutes and also winning the game despite that.
In that context they got ultra defensive allowing Getafe the ball and waves and waves of attacks. As Getafe channel everything through MG because he's their most dangerous player then he looks really active and causing trouble, but he's not going to get that platform every game.
In the end 4 take ons completed out of 10, no goals and his assist (did it count?) was a random, centered shot with someone picking the rebound. Since Maradona at Napoli we haven't seen a single guy carrying a team like that.
Honestly I hope he does well in the second half of the season so we can get a good fee in the summer.
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I don't know. I can only tell you he scored 22 goals in those 49 league games that must place him highly in those comparisons. A 17-18 yo scoring with that ease was such an anomaly.
The truth is I don't remember many young players with that naturality to score from an early age, as this is normally developed with time.
I remember Bojan Krkic at Barcelona who created similar expectations scoring for the first team at 16-17 yo, but for one reason or another he never built the full package. As I said talent is obviously important, but playing for the best sides takes a lot more than that.
You’re right…. it’s just one game. “Lies, damned lies and statistics” as the quote goes.
No skin off my nose but taking one game to back an opinion (and that’s all it is) and replying like you did isn’t going to help. We all have opinions, but they can be explained in a conversational way too?
They shouldn't be looking up to footballers by default though.
Unless they just want to replicate the rabona on the school yard. Footballers aren't philosopher kings
He hasn’t been in our side this year apart from a few friendlies, he’s been injured.
I have a child.
It is not & never should it be the responsibility of a footballer &/or football club to set the moral code for my child. Quite simply, if a kid idolises these people to the extent that they do not know what we saw/heard is utterly wrong that is a problem with the parenting.
I grew up idolising footballers, actors, rappers so on & at no point when one of them came a cropper of the law did I think, well there’s as good an excuse as any to do the same. If someone is that easily influenced that’s a parenting/nurturing issue.
If a person finds it difficult to explain to their child that criminals [of which Greenwood isn’t] get to live their lives after their crimes, I’d suggest opening up better lines of communication with their home.
If my daughter were the victim of domestic abuse I wouldn’t blame Mason Greenwood, I’d blame the scrote that did it to her. Just as if I had a son that did this I wouldn’t blame a footballer he’d only ever seen from the stands.
How on earth do you figure that the club probably had access to anything?
People keep saying his wife. They aren’t married as far as I’m aware
Don’t disagree on your bolded point/first line (it does get left out of a lot of opinions) but I think it was reported that United acknowledged their investigation was limited because they didn’t have the full picture/CPS information?
The clubs ‘internal investigation’ probably consisted of asking him “so did you do it or not?”
Even the victim was under no obligation to speak to the club, because why should she be? The whole process was probably about as much use as a one legged man at an arse kicking contest.
So your post stating the following:
"Greenwood to Real Madrid? Barca? Such a disrespect for such giant clubs to even suggest it. Talent alone (even in big amounts) doesn't make you a good player for a top top club. He's so far from it is laughable, and he carries some serious flaws in his game. If somehow this happened one day he's lasting like 10 minutes there."
A player who over 49 league games outperformed nearly every other player in his age range in terms of end product, would be a disrespect for a club like Madrid or Barca to buy?
There is a very weird stance from some posters on here that all of sudden Greenwood was not an elite talent for his age under whatever metric you want to use. If he picks up where he left off (which it seems like he is doing) and he is available for a cut price due to united choosing to let him go then pretty much every elite club outside of the UK will be in for him. I honestly can't take serious the arguement that, despite outperforming his age peers in output, that because instead of having loads of assists for his age in his position, he instead has loads of goals for his age in his position, that all of sudden he's not that good of a prospect.
Spot on. Talent blah blah. The guy is a disgrace.
He's like those puppies with an elizabeth collar (I mean that ridiculous cone for dogs) running around but without seeing anything. A serious club would have finned him after such display but United is built different.
You get an outrageous contract just to finish in the top-4, not much pressure. You can arrive late, disrespect your teammates, play like a kid in the playground and still getting praised by everyone. The guy surely was destroyed by having to leave a club like this.
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Not only was she under no obligation to, we know that she didn't. The club never spoke to her. The club told her mother what Greenwood said, and gave the mother the opportunity to add anything. She didn't. That's it.
That's not how it works though. It's been done to death in here but innocence is never determined by a court in the UK.
The onus is always on the prosecution to prove guilt, nott he defence to prove innocence. There job is to establish doubt.
@golden_blunder what happened to the performance thread man?
We can’t just bucket all fans with the same brush. As in life there’s a lot of people who don’t care and just want to talk about his football.
Everytime John Terry makes an appearance nobody is forced to talk about how he Racially abused Anton Ferdinand. Why should we not be allowed to split the two with Greenwood. Respectfully.. he will have a game soon and we don’t need it crowded with his past. Keep this thread for that.
We can’t just bucket all fans with the same brush. As in life there’s a lot of people who don’t care and just want to talk about his football.
Everytime John Terry makes an appearance nobody is forced to talk about how he Racially abused Anton Ferdinand. Why should we not be allowed to split the two with Greenwood. Respectfully.. he will have a game soon and we don’t need it crowded with his past. Keep this thread for that.
On the one hand I completely agree with you about parenting and the responsibility.
On the other, I'm not sure how old your kid is but you are in for a huge shock if you actually believe they don't learn from outside sources every bit as much as they do at home, even more when they go to school.
We all are susceptible to what we see and hear, it's basic human psychology. It's why advertising works, it's how we learn and grow and move forward, it's why religion is such a thing. Rightly or wrongly that's simply a fact of human nature and whilst I agree footballers as well as all "celebrities" shouldn't be held on a pedestal and all that, they are and always will be in some way. Again I agree on the parenting aspect, I'm raising my boys to not see these people as some deities, well these days it's feckwit youtubers and all that, but still you cannot control the minds to the extent where things don't have an impact.
I agree. The problem is, there was so many people going off topic all the time that it was ridiculous all along.
Bring it back, but you guys need to help police it. The second someone bangs on about him coming back/not coming back, for example, it should be reported and those people serving a threadban. The mods simply can't do it all, and people can't be trusted to purely talk about the performances only.
On the influence famous people can have on young people, my generation grew up with Eminem, Limp Biscuit, the back end of the peak of club culture, GTA, films like a Romper Stomper, Football Factory, Ross Kemp on Gangbangs and Danny Dire (correct spelling).
As I sit here with my pack of zig zags, scratching my bleached blond hair rollin from this bag of this weed running over prostitutes in the car I just stole with my mate Zebedee I can safely say none of it influenced me except maybe the Mitchell brothers showing me that hair is the future.
On a serious note though, kids do look up to these people but it's our job to remind them of better examples, such as ourselve.
As I sit here with my pack of zig zags, scratching my bleached blond hair rollin from this bag of this weed running over prostitutes in the car I just stole with my mate Zebedee I can safely say none of it influenced me except maybe the Mitchell brothers showing me that hair is the future.
On a serious note though, kids do look up to these people but it's our job to remind them of better examples, such as ourselve.
My point. Though I'm not sure "ourselves" is always so great either
But they do pick up so much from the world around them, and people in the spotlight are part of that. I'm not worried about my boys beating on their partner because of some celeb accused of it, of course, but it's incredibly odd people are playing down that very real life aspect of why we have people we look up to and even "heroes".
Even if that's an absurd concept when you think about it. But then that's how kings and all that kept control for thousands of years and we still have people "above" us running the show. But that's another discussion entirely.
Yeh, we have to be a good example of course but that's part of parenting. It's probably harder today as kids are bombarded with absolute shite from all angels and I'm sure many parents here have been caught out by things that look innocent enough but end up being a bit twisted, particularly through social media platforms.My point. Though I'm not sure "ourselves" is always so great either
But they do pick up so much from the world around them, and people in the spotlight are part of that. I'm not worried about my boys beating on their partner because of some celeb accused of it, of course, but it's incredibly odd people are playing down that very real life aspect of why we have people we look up to and even "heroes".
Even if that's an absurd concept when you think about it. But then that's how kings and all that kept control for thousands of years and we still have people "above" us running the show. But that's another discussion entirely.
yep. and i can’t think of a better example of a real man to them than them watching me cheer on a rapist.
Absolutely.
I'm lucky in that I was around for the start of all this and know enough about computers and all that to be on top, but even then it's so difficult to keep up with what they are in to and the pressures they are under. It must be so hard for so many parents and it really is scary to think about the future generations.
But then I guess we always have worried and they have always found their way.
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Didn’t think about it that way. Fair enough.. we all have day jobs
Thank you
Would certainly be weird.