Why?Hopefully, Paul Mitchell.
Why?Hopefully, Paul Mitchell.
I would presume Ashworth would be DoF and Mitchell would be Head of Recruitment. A similar combination as what Leipzig had when Mitchell was Head of Recruitment with Rangnick above him as DoF.For those saying it will be all four of Blanc, Brailsford, Ashworth and Mitchell - any idea what the breakdown of role / responsibilities would look like within that group?
The distinctions between technical, football and sporting directors have always been a bit fuzzy to me so I’m particularly unclear around Ashworth / Mitchell.
Seems like Blanc is most likely to take the CEO position which seems the most distinct given it extends past the sporting department and will include accountability for strategy, brand, commercial, finance etc.
We wouldn't be reworking any circle. Clubs do have different people for these roles, it's just that more often than not one is know as the DOF and the other as the vice DOF or Chief Scout. But if you want exact examples of that structure you can just look at RB Leipzig or even Monaco where Mitchell was the DOF and Stewart the head of recruitment which is nothing else than head of scouting-analytics.Why is it we always have to rework the circle.
Ineos should look at other successful clubs & appoint accordingly, don’t need 2 people for roles only 1 person usually has. Just put the industry best into roles.
Personally, my hope would be that Blanc and Ratcliffe wouldn't be choosing most of the football people. From what I've read, they are both businessmen rather than football men. Ideally they would hire somebody with proven ability (Ashworth?) in the DoF role, and then that person would basically run the football side of things, hiring people and setting goals. I'd have much more faith in that than I would if Blanc or Ratcliffe were getting more involved in that side. Obviously if the DoF fails to make the required improvements over a decent amount of time they would ultimately answer to Blanc and Ratcliffe, but they shouldn't be too involved.Are they football person?
It takes a great foootballing vision to employ the right people, it takes even a greater vision to filter out if they're the real deal or a fraud along the way. Even our very own SAF botches it with picking his successor.
I have no doubt even ETH or Van Gaal can do a 1 hour interview on tactics and wow us out, even Gary Neville can easilly do that.
Remember Rangnick. We all thought he's shit, and now it turns out he's not that shit at the end of the day. What's the guarantee Blanc and Jim can decide on the right person.
I'm skeptical. They're no Glazer but they're hardly proven, and it's not like they come with oil money.
I hope I'm wrong.
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Would it not be better to wait and see who they are then? Then discuss them. This thread seems to be the same old guessing game that’s in the other threadI think a thread purely for the appointments to high level positions is useful. It's a different discussion than what is mostly going on in the general sale thread.
if Jim can pull this off then I’m happy.I think it’ll be all four and that will be an absolutely monumental upgrade on what we have. It’ll probably be one of the most qualified setups in world sport
That's all internal stuff though. If you have a good structure with good people, they should be able to see what is going on and see the positive plans and work. Maybe that's the case with Ten Hag, no idea. The board has to be strong and confident in their convictions to withstand fan pressure because fan pressure will always come if results aren't there, that is obvious. No fan can say anything about any hire above the manager because none of us can have any clue on what impact this person actually had in their role before. Big name directors like Paul Mitchell or Michael Edwards have good reputations, but no fan really has any clue on if they'd be a good or bad hire as it's all behind the scenes work. The structure is something we won't be able to tell either. He could set it up perfectly but it'll still need 5 years for it to click on the pitch, as even the best recruitment setups can sign wrong players who don't adapt, or they could hire the wrong staff...Anyone here knows what. The thing we dont know and not many know is who. What if the people they appointed is actually another fraud and they're none the wiser. Give them a young Fergie they dont know whether to persist with his radical views or sack him. If a young Fergie somehow reincarnated i dont think he would last 5 years selling the likes of Bruno and Rashford and needing 5 years to make it. If and a very big if he made it
It is guessing to some extent, although I'd say it's educated guessing rather than just pulling random names out of a hat. And it's a topic that is important and interesting enough that I think it's good to have it's own thread.Would it not be better to wait and see who they are then? Then discuss them. This thread seems to be the same old guessing game that’s in the other thread
I liked his work at Southhampton with players like Sadio Mane. He has good experience at finding young players in lower leagues that can be brought up. The difference between successful Championship players and successful Premier League is not always skill or technical ability. It is consistency.Why?
Of course there are multiple people in roles throughout clubs, people are specifically talking about the idea of ‘2 DoFs’.We wouldn't be reworking any circle. Clubs do have different people for these roles, it's just that more often than not one is know as the DOF and the other as the vice DOF or Chief Scout. But if you want exact examples of that structure you can just look at RB Leipzig or even Monaco where Mitchell was the DOF and Stewart the head of recruitment which is nothing else than head of scouting-analytics.
Great way to start a discussion. Enjoy your Boxing Day.Why is it you always have to find something to complain about?
We have tried everything to be honest from tactical pedigree ETH... Old school thinker like LVG... SAF arms in shoulder in Ole... Solid names like Jose they all fail. Something else is beyond the mere manager to fix.A proper manager ASAP. No washed up dinosaurs or con artists please.
ETH has no tactical pedigree. And yes all our appointments till date have been wrong. Doesn't mean we stick with what's wrong. Clubs normally don't stumble upon geniuses such as Guardiola or Klopp. Even Bayern has changed managers 7/8 times in the last 10 years. What we need to lose is our SAF tinted specs of romanticism. There cannot be and will never be another SAF.We have tried everything to be honest from tactical pedigree ETH... Old school thinker like LVG... SAF arms in shoulder in Ole... Solid names like Jose they all fail. Something else is beyond the mere manager to fix.
It takes time and sometimes there are no easy fixes. We just have to wait for the next turn of fortune where everything seems to aligned.
Do we have a good board when SAF took over? I dont think so. We praised Fenway group when Klopp is doing well, bow they're just another set of board.
I don't follow. People have mentioned two different position, DOF and head of recruitment, you yourself mentioned 2 roles?Of course there are multiple people in roles throughout clubs, people are specifically talking about the idea of ‘2 DoFs’.
Thanks for the update on the obvious though.
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Yet here we are.I don't follow.
From what we are hearing:For those saying it will be all four of Blanc, Brailsford, Ashworth and Mitchell - any idea what the breakdown of role / responsibilities would look like within that group?
The distinctions between technical, football and sporting directors have always been a bit fuzzy to me so I’m particularly unclear around Ashworth / Mitchell.
Seems like Blanc is most likely to take the CEO position which seems the most distinct given it extends past the sporting department and will include accountability for strategy, brand, commercial, finance etc.
You have such a strange attitude. It's perplexing.Yet here we are.
Can’t be arsed mate. Let’s just hope the appointments are right in the end and we follow other successful set ups.
You’ve spent your past 2 responses attending to condescends, instead of interacting I’ve bowed out. I’m not sure what else you want from me at this point. If I chose to argue I’ll be argumentative & when I chose to not, it’s perplexing.You have such a strange attitude. It's perplexing.
There was no ire. I responded normally to a post that you made based on the thread where you posted it where no one talked about having two DOFs.You’ve spent your past 2 responses attending to condescends, instead of interacting I’ve bowed out. I’m not sure what else you want from me at this point. If I chose to argue I’ll be argumentative & when I chose to not, it’s perplexing.
I’ve re-read the post that drew your ire, seems pretty straightforward to me. If you head to the takeover thread a few posters were talking about Freedman & Mitchell sharing the role. I’m saying let’s just get competent people in the roles other clubs have instead of needing multiple people for the same jobs. There’s rumours of SjR cutting 100s of jobs.
Saying let’s just hope the right people are hired = perplexing.
Perhaps the sporting director isn’t immediately available if rumors of going for Ashworth are correct? Yeah, otherwise I’d have liked to see immediate appointments/changes as well. Appointing someone them in the summer might mean we’re headed into that period perhaps not ideally prepared as the DoF would need a bedding in period to settle etc. Oh well, I’m sure they have a plan.According to the Telegraph (briefed by INEOS?), no sporting director expected until next summer. No signings expected in the summer and likely to just let ETH get on with it without any snap decisions…
This is the wrong approach, I believe. The standstill in decision-making has had an adverse impact already. There need to be changes instantly, even if they are short-term, because the downward trajectory we are on maybe tougher to reverse the longer we stay on the slippery slope.
Come on man, there’s being pedantic then there’s this. The fact I didn’t quote a post would allude to the fanbase at large.There was no ire. I responded normally to a post that you made based on the thread where you posted it where no one talked about having two DOFs.
I hope not. Would be setting us up for a disastrous season if true.According to the Telegraph (briefed by INEOS?), no sporting director expected until next summer. No signings expected in the summer and likely to just let ETH get on with it without any snap decisions…
This is the wrong approach, I believe. The standstill in decision-making has had an adverse impact already. There need to be changes instantly, even if they are short-term, because the downward trajectory we are on maybe tougher to reverse the longer we stay on the slippery slope.
It's probably just me but this sounds absolutely daft. You stated that the context of your post was something that has nothing to do with this thread, what you suggested is contrary to its context and specifcailly to the OP. But apparently I was supposed to decipher the fact that you were talking about something that you didn't contextualize. Common sense suggests that if you say something in the middle of a thread, the context is the same thread unless you state otherwise which you didn't.Come on man, there’s being pedantic then there’s this. The fact I didn’t quote a post would allude to the fanbase at large.
I’ll be sure to read your posts with the same lack of nuance & common sense going forward.
My last post addresses this directly & should be more than enough to have cleared up the misunderstanding. I’ve explained what I meant. You’ve explained why it was confusing. So now you’re clear & I’ll be sure to caveat my posts more for your convenience going forward.Common sense suggests that if you say something in the middle of a thread, the context is the same thread unless you state otherwise which you didn't.
Perhaps the sporting director isn’t immediately available if rumors of going for Ashworth are correct? Yeah, otherwise I’d have liked to see immediate appointments/changes as well. Appointing someone them in the summer might mean we’re headed into that period perhaps not ideally prepared as the DoF would need a bedding in period to settle etc. Oh well, I’m sure they have a plan.
Here’s the key quotes from the article which are attributed to “an insider with knowledge of INEOS’ plans”… this almost always means that INEOS comms team have briefed the journalist.I hope not. Would be setting us up for a disastrous season if true.
This is very concerning if true. It means that INEOS’ assessment of the mood at United is that the fan base is worried about too much drastic change too quickly! This could not be further from the truth! The reason why we hate the structure that is aleady in place is because they’re slow to act or fix problems.The coming weeks, insiders say, are now a “watch, listen and learn exercise”, giving Erik ten Hag some breathing space to improve fortunes on the pitch. A source said: “Until they properly get in there they won’t make any snap decisions, which has been part of the problem [previously]… In effect, that means it will not be until the summer that the impact of the Ineos era at United will really begin to be felt. United staff will already be aware that the manager has time to impress and a sporting director appointment could also be some way off.
You do realize that none of this has anything to do with my convenience? You decided to get pissy because someone didn't read your mind and put your post in the context of a specific post from a different thread that happens to be contrary to this one.My last post addresses this directly & should be more than enough to have cleared up the misunderstanding. I’ve explained what I meant. You’ve explained why it was confusing. So now you’re clear & I’ll be sure to caveat my posts more for your convenience going forward.
Anyone who comes into this current setup will look like a con artist or washed up dinosaur.A proper manager ASAP. No washed up dinosaurs or con artists please.
You have such a strange attitude. It's perplexing.