Israel-Palestine | Genocide in Gaza



Of course, South Africa are accused of working with Hamas and the rest of the accusations don't make any sense either.

For a terrorist group, Hamas seem to have so many great diplomats to convince dozens of world organizations and countries to collaborate with them.
 


The south Africans covered every inch. Netanyahu, Herzog, Gallant, Ben Gvir, etc, all their names with their genocidal statements (or statements with genocidal intent) in the document.
 
Obviously, being Israeli means I can't be completely objective (not that full objectivity exists for anyone, anywhere).

However, I shall say that I also have a perspective that others don't and I'm not some sort of blind supporter of Israel and what it does. Yet others are happy to sit wherever they are in the world, base their information on posts on Twitter and have the nerve to tell ME what is really going on around me.
This sounds a bit contradictory. If you know you can't be objective, what's to tell you're not falling for propaganda?
 
This sounds a bit contradictory. If you know you can't be objective, what's to tell you're not falling for propaganda?

As I wrote, NO ONE can be truly objective. We can all be affected by things. That is relevant to everyone posting here as well.

But as someone who works for and gets information partly through a newspaper that is as far away from Israeli propaganda as there is (Haaretz), I think I am in a decent place to avoid being too affected by mouthpieces. And I think that people who've seen me post here over the years know that I am quite critical of Israel.
 


5% of the population have either been killed, injured, or missing. 40% of the remaining are being starved.
 


I was watching an arabic documentary about the week before the 1967 war. Abdul-Nasser knew a week before the attacks that Isreal will attack on june 5th, he was told by the Yuguslavs, the Russians, the French and the British also told him. He said in a meeting with his war cabinet when they asked him why we (the Egyptians strike first), He answered, because that will be a political failure if we start the war, it will also give the Americans the excuse to to participate.

Contrary to the general beliefs, Israel was the first to strike and start the war. Sure their were tensions before that, but Nasser was never going to start.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...ce-in-73/0000017f-f77e-d460-afff-ff7e84d90000

This is the Haaretz piece about the 1967 war, Israel lied about the war
Israel pretended to be the victim during the Six-Day War, and succeeded in deceiving the world. But it failed to prepare properly for the Yom Kippur War, fearing it would be blamed for starting the next war

So next time anyone tells you "well, the arabs started the war, and lost", tell him to go read.
 
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This is the Haaretz piece about the 1967 war, Israel lied about the war

So next time anyone tells you "well, the arabs started the war, and lost", tell him to go read.

They've always relied on this type of lie to justify their actions since their inception. Very few were allowed to challenge their propaganda for decades in the West.
 
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Gideon Levy, an Israeli long standing and outstanding journalist at Ha'aretz on the state of mind of the Israeli society and the dehumanization of the Palestinians, the domestic propaganda and the Israeli media coverage (or lack thereof) of not only the war in Gaza but also the decades long illegal, brutal and cruel military occupation in the West Bank. Also the use of the Holocaust as a weapon to counter and silence any criticism towards Israel, and justify its actions against the Palestinians. Last but not the least, the Israeli attempt to use this war to ethnically cleanse the Gazans (and the West Bank).

Enlightening.

 
Tragically, the nearly unprecedented death and injury we have seen so far is likely to only be the beginning. From looking at similar conflicts across the world, public health experts know that we are likely to see more children dying from preventable disease than from bullets and bombs. While the Israeli government has spoken about safe zones for families to flee to, these aren’t anywhere near what we would consider safe public health zones. They don’t have clean water, functional sanitation and toilets, enough food, or trained medical staff with medicine and equipment. These are the basic needs that any human, especially babies and children, need to stay healthy and alive.

The WHO spokesperson Dr Margaret Harris has said that diarrhoea rates among children in refugee-like camps (sheltered housing) in Gaza were, in early November, already more than 100 times normal levels.

Upper respiratory infections, chickenpox, and painful skin conditions have also increased, and there are fears that the recent floods may result in untreated sewage mixing with fresh water used for drinking and cooking, and cause a cholera outbreak.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ns-disease-gaza-population-outbreaks-conflict
 
The war criminal in charge said today he would occupy the Philadelphia corridor which is controlled by Egypt. He also threatened both Lebanon and Iran with blows they have never seen. The war genocide will also continue for many more months which incidentally guarantees him staying in control.

This is what the US and the West have created.
 
If it was not a presidential campaign season, would the US have been a bit more sympathetic towards negotiating a ceasefire? I know the US is fully in Israel’s corner, but would they have been a tad more open to negotiations?
 
If it was not a presidential campaign season, would the US have been a bit more sympathetic towards negotiating a ceasefire? I know the US is fully in Israel’s corner, but would they have been a tad more open to negotiations?
Not really, the overwhelming pro Israeli sentiment is a bipartisan one.
 
If it was not a presidential campaign season, would the US have been a bit more sympathetic towards negotiating a ceasefire? I know the US is fully in Israel’s corner, but would they have been a tad more open to negotiations?

The American war machine and lobby goes beyond who's president. You can put Gandhi in there they would still fight a war.
 


This guy is hilarious and breaks down some stuff about the military issues the IDF are facing.



At some point just seeing ultra nationalist/ultra Zionists act and speak, it's hard not to come to the conclusion that it's up there with things like jihadi/Sharia stuff man. Just poisonous ideology.
 
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I was watching an arabic documentary about the week before the 1967 war. Abdul-Nasser knew a week before the attacks that Isreal will attack on june 5th, he was told by the Yuguslavs, the Russians, the French and the British also told him. He said in a meeting with his war cabinet when they asked him why we (the Egyptians strike first), He answered, because that will be a political failure if we start the war, it will also give the Americans the excuse to to participate.

Contrary to the general beliefs, Israel was the first to strike and start the war. Sure their were tensions before that, but Nasser was never going to start.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...ce-in-73/0000017f-f77e-d460-afff-ff7e84d90000

This is the Haaretz piece about the 1967 war, Israel lied about the war


So next time anyone tells you "well, the arabs started the war, and lost", tell him to go read.


It's an interesting one. I saw a video of Maher blaming even the 56 war on the Arabs (particularly the Egyptians), which is not a viewpoint I'd heard even from the most ardent supporters before.

I guess you can just make shit up now. Probably responsible for the world wars too.
 
It's an interesting one. I saw a video of Maher blaming even the 56 war on the Arabs (particularly the Egyptians), which is not a viewpoint I'd heard even from the most ardent supporters before.

I guess you can just make shit up now. Probably responsible for the world wars too.
Maher has an agenda, he is like an open book. Every information comes from a media outlet should be challenged, specially an American media outlet.
 


The south Africans covered every inch. Netanyahu, Herzog, Gallant, Ben Gvir, etc, all their names with their genocidal statements (or statements with genocidal intent) in the document.

Not often I’m proud of my country or its politicians (especially the ruling party) but this is one of those moments that make me proud.
 
Obviously, being Israeli means I can't be completely objective (not that full objectivity exists for anyone, anywhere).

However, I shall say that I also have a perspective that others don't and I'm not some sort of blind supporter of Israel and what it does. Yet others are happy to sit wherever they are in the world, base their information on posts on Twitter and have the nerve to tell ME what is really going on around me.
Are we imagining what we are seeing on TV ? Have over 20000 Palestinians been murdered?
 
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...-gaza-including-resettlement-of-palestinians/

Former British prime minister Tony Blair is reportedly being eyed by Israeli leaders to serve as the mediator between Jerusalem and moderate Arab countries on post-war Gaza and a controversial Israeli aim of having other nations absorb residents of Gaza who leave the Strip.

Blair arrived in Israel last week and met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and war cabinet minister Benny Gantz, Channel 12 news reports, without citing a source. The report says that if the plan materializes, Blair will be in charge of checking the option of countries receiving Gazan refugees.


Happy New Year :drool:
 
"Moderate Arab countries" cause they are amenable to ethnic cleansing.
 
"Moderate Arab countries" cause they are amenable to ethnic cleansing.

In the same way that the ethnic cleaning of Palestinians of the 40s became to some secondary to the Arab armies asking them to leave and not active ethnic cleansing, so Im sure the story will be spun in 2024 as well if this were to go ahead.
 
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...-gaza-including-resettlement-of-palestinians/

Former British prime minister Tony Blair is reportedly being eyed by Israeli leaders to serve as the mediator between Jerusalem and moderate Arab countries on post-war Gaza and a controversial Israeli aim of having other nations absorb residents of Gaza who leave the Strip.

Blair arrived in Israel last week and met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and war cabinet minister Benny Gantz, Channel 12 news reports, without citing a source. The report says that if the plan materializes, Blair will be in charge of checking the option of countries receiving Gazan refugees.


Happy New Year :drool:

:lol: I hope he visits Iraq first to receive what he deserves. These western governments live in their own bubble.

He himself should be brought to the ICC and judged. The Famous Swede Hans Blix, the Chief UN inspector of the Iraqi WMD said when asked if he thought Bush and Blair should face trial at the Hague for alleged war crimes, he said: "I think in principle, yes.
"I think they will not come, and nor will Putin come for a tribunal, but nevertheless holding a tribunal and going through the evidence will be of value.
"We hear very much from the Western world about the 'rule based international order' - well that is the one that the US, the UK and the others broke in 2003."
 
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...-gaza-including-resettlement-of-palestinians/

Former British prime minister Tony Blair is reportedly being eyed by Israeli leaders to serve as the mediator between Jerusalem and moderate Arab countries on post-war Gaza and a controversial Israeli aim of having other nations absorb residents of Gaza who leave the Strip.

Blair arrived in Israel last week and met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and war cabinet minister Benny Gantz, Channel 12 news reports, without citing a source. The report says that if the plan materializes, Blair will be in charge of checking the option of countries receiving Gazan refugees.


Happy New Year :drool:

I think his spokesperson denied it not that it means it's untrue considering he is a renowned liar and a war criminal.