Israel-Palestine | Genocide in Gaza



The lawsuit is headed for a hearing in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California later this month.
 
I get that it's good that this is in a formal court and all, but:
1. Who is the court made of?
2. Has this court ever found a western power guilty before?
2. What power does it have to punish?

I'm a little surprised at the optimism here and on twitter about this, basically, and also by the U-turn in Israeli rhetoric (broadcasst in English at least) as it approaches.
 
berbatrick said:
I get that it's good that this is in a formal court and all, but:
1. Who is the court made of?
2. Has this court ever found a western power guilty before?
2. What power does it have to punish?

I'm a little surprised at the optimism here and on twitter about this, basically, and also by the U-turn in Israeli rhetoric (broadcasst in English at least) as it approaches.
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If it leads nowhere, at least it will lead to a further erosion of belief in western values among ordinary people. Divide between west and east will be furthered. Which is not neccesarily a bad thing, because western world is selling itself as a society built on freedom and democracy, which it isn't.
 
berbatrick said:
I get that it's good that this is in a formal court and all, but:
1. Who is the court made of?
2. Has this court ever found a western power guilty before?
2. What power does it have to punish?

I'm a little surprised at the optimism here and on twitter about this, basically, and also by the U-turn in Israeli rhetoric (broadcasst in English at least) as it approaches.
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I don't believe anything will happen but it is good that even if it's just for show that they will be asked some questions. I hope they restraint themselves a little after this.
 
Bosnian_fan said:
If it leads nowhere, at least it will lead to a further erosion of belief in western values among ordinary people. Divide between west and east will be furthered. Which is not neccesarily a bad thing, because western world is selling itself as a society built on freedom and democracy, which it isn't.
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Yep, freedom and democracy when it's convenient and suits their agenda/pockets. The world is so full of shite.
 
I think there's a real danger that there's a ruling it's not genocide and that gives Israel cover to continue it's barbaric acts.
 
Smores said:
I think there's a real danger that there's a ruling it's not genocide and that gives Israel cover to continue it's barbaric acts.
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They will never rule genocide but hopefully demand a cease fire, making the war illegal and therefore anything as a consequence of it a crime.
 
Smores said:
I think there's a real danger that there's a ruling it's not genocide and that gives Israel cover to continue it's barbaric acts.
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They don't have to determine that this constitutes a genocide, rather that there's a real risk of one occurring due to the genocide convention being breached by Israel. South Africa is more asking for provisional measures to prevent one.
 
Doesn't seem that any of the major TV channels in the US and the UK are broadcasting it, would be funny if they only do so tomorrow during Israel's defense.
 
jadaba said:
They don't have to determine that this constitutes a genocide, rather that there's a real risk of one occurring due to the genocide convention being breached by Israel. South Africa is more asking for provisional measures to prevent one.
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And it will take some time for a ruling on whether it constitutes genocide. Their goal is basically to do what the UNSC can't do because of the US veto.
 
Kind of fascinating how the zionists always react towards the accusations thrown at them. They either lie while playing the victim or go for character assassination of the accuser. You could see it in almost any debate with them over the decades and it has been emphasized 100 times more in the last 3 months.

Character assassination of South Africa from the zionists so far include:

They're the legal arm of Hamas
They work with the PA and take money from Iran and other countries
They're tarnishing the legacy of combatting racism

Oh, and the Hague court is plagued with antisemitism.
 
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Idxomer said:
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Just shows you how deeply things are tainted. Judges, professionals - you'd expect to act on the merits/facts of each case because of the sheer repercussions their decisions have on/in society, should be as objective as possible - irrespective of their countries of association. Yet, here we are...
 
Idxomer said:
Kind of fascinating how the zionists always react towards the accusations thrown at them. They either lie while playing the victim or go for character assassination of the accuser. You could see it in almost any debate with them over the decades and it has been emphasized 100 times more in the last 3 months.

Character assassination of South Africa from the zionists so far include:

They're the legal arm of Hamas
They work with the PA and take money from Iran and other countries
They're tarnishing the legacy of combatting racism

Oh, and the Hague court is plagued with antisemitism.
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They just look like idiots doing so. Let them.
 
Smores said:
I think there's a real danger that there's a ruling it's not genocide and that gives Israel cover to continue it's barbaric acts.
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That's my concern too. If Israel are judged to not have crossed the threshold for genocide or genocidal intent, then you're going to get the usual smug media anchors, US spokespeople and usual ensemble of Israeli apologists defiantly claim that Israel are in the clear and are acting accordingly and legally. And they can ramp up their murderous onslaught safe in the knowledge that such a verdict would have given them essential carte blanche to pursue whatever heinous objectives they have in this campaign. And then we'll be back to the usual 'Most Humantiarian army in the world™', 'Only democracy in the region™', 'Last bastion against terrorism™' nonsense thats constantly being shoved down our throats while we continue to tally up thousands more women and children being murdered and exponentially rising settler violence.

Though if this were the case one thing is for certain - it would set another unfortunate precedence for Israel's allies. Any accusations they level towards the Russians, Iranians or any other adversary will hold no weight, and those powers would also take such a ruling to justify their own brutal approach to their own conflicts both now and in the future.
 
Kaos said:
That's my concern too. If Israel are judged to not have crossed the threshold for genocide or genocidal intent, then you're going to get the usual smug media anchors, US spokespeople and usual ensemble of Israeli apologists defiantly claim that Israel are in the clear and are acting accordingly and legally. And they can ramp up their murderous onslaught safe in the knowledge that such a verdict would have given them essential carte blanche to pursue whatever heinous objectives they have in this campaign. And then we'll be back to the usual 'Most Humantiarian army in the world™', 'Only democracy in the region™', 'Last bastion against terrorism™' nonsense thats constantly being shoved down our throats while we continue to tally up thousands more women and children being murdered and exponentially rising settler violence.
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They're going to do all this shit even if Israel is judged to have crossed the treshold.
 
RedTiger said:
If they're deemed in the clear then it's over for the current world order, multi polar world here we come.
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More likely, it would be the latest reminder that international organizations are simply tools for powerful states to use against their adversaries, but not for smaller states to seek remedies for their complaints. That would need a world government, and there is no such thing. Therefore powerful states and those in their orbit will always receive preferential treatment.
 
RedTiger said:
If they're deemed in the clear then it's over for the current world order, multi polar world here we come.
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It will be an absolutely indefensible decision to clear them. Proving more than ever that self interest is more important to politicians than any other consideration and that the system is irredeemably morally bankrupt.
 
Raoul said:
More likely, it would be the latest reminder that international organizations are simply tools for powerful states to use against their adversaries, but not for smaller states to seek remedies for their complaints. That would need a world government, and there is no such thing. Therefore powerful states and those in their orbit will always receive preferential treatment.
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It further opens the door to Russia and China is what it does.
 
Raven said:
It further opens the door to Russia and China is what it does.
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They are bad, but USA and western world have no moral high ground from which to shout at Russia and China. The only freedom and democracy they are protecting is the one that serves their interests. Which kind of makes them Russian and Chinese equals.
 
Seems like the US/UK are looking to go after the Houthi rebels...MFs can get involved to stop delayed shipments, but look the other way when a genocide is taking place.

I don't believe the Houthi's have killed anyone?

If you want them to stop, tell Israel to feck off attacking Gaza.
 
Tibs said:
Seems like the US/UK are looking to go after the Houthi rebels...MFs can get involved to stop delayed shipments, but look the other way when a genocide is taking place.

I don't believe the Houthi's have killed anyone?

If you want them to stop, tell Israel to feck off attacking Gaza.
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You can't blame the international coalition going after the Houthis. They're randomly attacking ships that have nothing to do with the Israel conflict, which is causing a disruption in global commerce. Its terrorism on behalf of Iran that affects everyone around the world and should be eliminated.
 


Rahm Emanuel is a famously right-wing Democrat. But the news as usual goes above and beyond in its service to foreign policy interests. When one of their own slips up, they'll cover for it!
 


Azerbaijan seems to be another interesting convergence for the free western democracies.
 
Raoul said:
You can't blame the international coalition going after the Houthis. They're randomly attacking ships that have nothing to do with the Israel conflict, which is causing a disruption in global commerce. Its terrorism on behalf of Iran that affects everyone around the world and should be eliminated.
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Why though? And how a disruption to global commerce, justify military action, but ACTUAL mass murder by Israel, is allowed this international coalition?
 
Tibs said:
Why though? And how a disruption to global commerce, justify military action, but ACTUAL mass murder by Israel, is allowed this international coalition?
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Because randomly attacking commercial ships from various countries international waters is pure terrorism. Its not as if they are seeking to stop arms from reaching Israel. They are attacking ships randomly, which has an effect on global commerce, particularly in the energy sector since a percentage of ships are forced to go around the southern tip of Africa instead of through the Suez Canal. All this risks is a massive retaliation by all the countries with military ships in the area, which will result in a lot of unnecessary death and destruction inside Yemen.
 
Raoul said:
Because randomly attacking commercial ships from various countries international waters is pure terrorism. Its not as if they are seeking to stop arms from reaching Israel. They are attacking ships randomly, which has an effect on global commerce, particularly in the energy sector since a percentage of ships are forced to go around the southern tip of Africa instead of through the Suez Canal. All this risks is a massive retaliation by all the countries with military ships in the area, which will result in a lot of unnecessary death and destruction inside Yemen.
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So by by delaying shipments, whilst killing nobody, Yemeni people will be butchered, just like the people of Gaza.

But the same countries crying over delayed shipments, are totally fine with the massacre in Gaza.

Make it make sense
 
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