Tuchel isn’t that good, we’ve seen he struggles when he’s at a top team that has expectations. He simply can’t handle the pressure of every game being must win, particularly in the league. On top of that, he’s goes to war with every board he’s ever worked under. He doesn’t take no for an answer.
Who replaces Ten Hag?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Yep, if the new owners are smart, they’ll already be sounding out new managers for next season. We really don’t want to find ourselves going into the next couple of months hoping Ten Hag can become a better manager after a 2 month summer break. Liverpool will be starting their interview process now, Bayern will be looking in the summer, Madrid will be looking next summer, you never know when PSG might decide to make a move also, and they’re just the ones we know about. We should absolutely be having conversations right now.
It would be hilarious in way if we managed to get Klopp. Imagine the scenes.
This hasn't exactly worked out well for us so far has it.
Trouble with Tuchel is he has an erratic personality and seems to often not remain at clubs for more than a couple of years.
That said, he seems to follow Klopp at clubs managed, so it wouldn't surprise me if he ends up at LFC.
Why is Liverpool's appointment going to be a success? They could easily pick a dud as a good manager. Same goes for everyone else. They will all be picking a Ten Hag equivalent, someone who has had relative success but not an already elite manager, because they don't exist unless they take each others managers. There's a handful of managers who've actually won anything worth shouting about, everything else is a gamble.
Probably wouldn't have to worry about both when they aren't managing those clubs anymore, which doesn't seem to be too far away.
Something with appointing legends straight out of Liverpool and Man City just doesn't seem right to me. If we are going to be on the right track again, I don't want a manager that has been an Anfield favorite for the past 9 years steering the ship for us right after leaving Liverpool. Would have a second hand feel to it, same with Pep. Would be a lot more exciting having our own hero.
Only way he can turn it around now is go unbeaten for rest of season and get top4 or win FA cup and let's see will we be in better shape with Martinez and co back in. Will we see improvement in style of football compared to some of the shite we seen so far this season?
If he does stay on, no way he gets full say on new players coming in. Judgment of players is terrible.
If he does stay on, no way he gets full say on new players coming in. Judgment of players is terrible.
We should stay clear of Tuchel. He isn’t a long term manager. We need our own Klopp/Guardiola. Someone that will stay and create their own identity that will do us good for the long run.
While playing positive football. I don't want to see us shithouse and grind our way to top 4 with painful 1-0's again.
I like Alonso, but he is unproven at the highest level (Bundesliga is no PL), and probably is lined up to be Liverpool next manager. My dream is Zidane, the o LG guy to win 3 CL in a row. But someone as De Zerbi sounds decent enough.
It’ll forever be a stick to beat Pep with but the robotic spectacle aspect, as much as I agree completely shows the sheer level of complete tactical dominance that Pep instigates.
We might not like him and of course it helps when you’re backed by more money but he’s changed football entirely by having most teams adopt his style or an attempt at it and his ability to completely nullify the opposition is nigh on impossible for anyone else.
Klopp is a great manager but Pep is miles better.
We should really try and get Klopp.
PL proven is pretty irrelevant. Most PL winning managers did it with their first PL club, but after being proven winners elsewhere (Pep, Klopp, Mourinho, Conte...).
I didn't say they would be, but they'll likely be in for the same names we would be, and they're probably a better proposition right now. Bayern and a few others might go for a new manager too.
Then Mbappe comes in during the summer.
Are people seriously suggesting Klopp? Have some pride you cnuts.
As a janitor? Because he said he won't be a manager in England again
You will rather sign Mbappé than Klopp.
Thus guy has his principles. He will never manage another English cub let alone Liverpool's watch rivals.
You could offer him 1 million £ a week, he wouldn't take the job. Never ever going to happen.
I agree that we shouldn't go for Tuchel, but no one is a long term manager and people have to stop thinking that way if we're ever going to be successful. Managerial stints on average last about 2 years. The club should create the identity not the manager.
I'm assuming those who want Klopp haven't actually watched the interview or even seen any direct quotes from him.
At this point there are no obvious replacements for ETH out there in my view. There are managers with potential obviously, but they're all gambles for one reason or another and the likes of Alonso may have different plans/preferences.
At this point there are no obvious replacements for ETH out there in my view. There are managers with potential obviously, but they're all gambles for one reason or another and the likes of Alonso may have different plans/preferences.
Fergie was, Wenger was. Klopp and guardiola have had decent spells. I get what you’re saying though, a manager can only last as good as they do kind of thing. But when I say long term manager I mean someone that wants to create a style and environment that everyone is happy working in. Not managers such as Tuchel, Mourinho, Conte who love to cause chaos and upset everyone.
You obviously didn’t see anything he said then. He’ll never manage another English team. He’s loyal to them.
They’d be stupid to go for him. I think they’ll go for someone they believe can carry on what Klopp has built. Alonso is everyone’s favourite but he’ll need time… if Klopp remained then they’ll be aiming high next season so they want someone who can come straight in and challenge for the league and CL straight away.
That didn't save LVG so why would it save Eric?
It doesn't matter who you replace ETH with, no manager would be successful with this group of players. A huge clear out is needed but realistically that won't happen..
My only real concern with ETH is his signings, they have been pretty poor and the fact that we have one proper striker on the books (I wouldn't count Martial at this point) is pretty damming.
My only real concern with ETH is his signings, they have been pretty poor and the fact that we have one proper striker on the books (I wouldn't count Martial at this point) is pretty damming.
I wouldn't say that Mourinho and Conte don't want to create a style. They surely have clear preferences in that regard. I give you that they don't necessarily care about everyone being happy, which in turn limits their longevity as they tend to fall out with their teams sooner or later.
Tuchel is an odd one, he does not really seem to have a clearly defined style but tends to move players around like chess figures. His issues are more on the board level, not on the team level... His teams usually were quite fond of him.
Maybe because it would be his 2nd trophy in his 2nd season.
In our dream, Klopp will never manage United. It's all about timing. If Klopp joins United instead on Liverpool back then we would go challenging every year. Pep wouldn't win that many EPL. For me, it was always Pep or Klopp but United leadership thinks they are smart and ended up appointing wrong manager after manager.
In fairness LVG was told the January before that he wouldnt be kept on after the end of the season, tbe deal with Mourinho was probably agreed before the FA Cup Final as well.
Where's your source for this? LVG has made it out like his sacking was a total surprise after winning the FA Cup. Although rumours were circulating, it wasn't in January, but the spring if I remember correctly when they started arriving.
No, they let Fergie pick Moyes. Klopp and Pep also rejected us at the time. All this is well known.
It's surely the only way he stays. Even then I wouldn't think it would guarantee he's here next season
It's a cup with diminished importance and it doesn't guarantee CL Football. CL football has always been the main reason why managers are sacked or kept on at this club. It is the bare minimum. He has done nothing to keep his job. The team has regressed, the transfers poor, he sets us up to lose every match with his bizarre tactics. Top 4 is impossible now, the only reason he hasn't been fired is there is no one bothered to because of the ownership transfer. Which is odd, because they are sacking people left, right and centre around him.
There was an interview with LVG where he said he knew in January that he wouldnt be kept on at the end of the season.
Fergie and Wenger were generational managers that joined directionless clubs and implemented systems from the ground up, Klopp did that at Liverpool also, City did that for Pep. These managers aren't just knocking around waiting to be picked up, they're at top clubs already, or clubs where they're now unsackable because they've already implemented this kind of support system.
A manager becomes long term when he wins things consistently, you don't appoint someone with the aim of them being long term, that's doing things the wrong way around. Look at Ten Hag, does he deserve 5-10 years before we judge him? In the mean time we could be missing out on the next Pep or Klopp because we're persevering with someone who isn't up to it because we want a 'long term' appointment.
The club should create the environment and style, then you hire managers who fit that mould so it's seamless between them. We can't have our whole club's fortunes down to one person's ability at running absolutely everything at the football club.
Well yeah, the 3 managers you mentioned are all dickheads so if you stay clear of those types of characters then you won't have many issues.
So I guess we can cross McKenna off the list now too?
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TUCHEL IS KEEN FOR A JOB WHEN HE GETS SACKED BY BAYERN"
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TUCHEL IS KEEN FOR A JOB WHEN HE GETS SACKED BY BAYERN"
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