I am not disputing whatever good (or bad) the Biden administration had being doing, but this video and others alike can alienate a lot of people to vote for him. And rightly so. How a man that can have this discommection with reality can take decisions to lead the US
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Firstly, thanks, that's the first post on here in quite a while that is an actual engagement, and super thoughtful and well-articulated.
As it happens, my personal position on immigration is pretty simple: the more the merrier. I think I've mentioned before, but my country is in a self-imposed death spiral because it's tiny, the current government's entire raison d'etre is xenophopic protectionism and the aging population is retiring and there's no labour market to fill the social security. Same problem in most western nations, though not all. What we need more than anything is immigration - particularly of young, hungry workers that want to start things. But, the government is elected by primarily old, second or third generation 'locals' that believe the country is for them and everyone else can f*ck back off. Sounds familiar right?
There are only two solutions to the demographic bomb that is starting to go off - AI solves all our ills and we can introduce a UBI sufficient to make everyone comfortable (yeah not so likely) or we leverage immigration to move workers to places they're most needed.
The US has slightly better demographics than say, Italy or Germany, but still not sufficient. Plus it's an enormous country, physically, has tons of resources and most importantly - has towns all over the place that are dying. Ie, perfect places to setup new immigrants. Obviously there are huge issues with the current economy and what jobs that necessitates and rewards, but the opportunity is there.
So if I were in charge, I'd mobilise a huge hiring spree, get good people in the right roles in immigration processing and massively expand the function so it could not only deal with the influx but deal with it faster, as well as helping locate people where they're most needed. Further, while I'm in charge, I'd force elite universities to massively increase their admissions and issue loads more international visas and subsequent work visas to get in and keep more of the best young minds.
However, people with my views aren't in power, nor have power. Instead, the Biden adminsitration is crippled by a house that would never, EVER provide more funding for handling border crossings and immigration. The GOP want to see huge lines, people in cages, over-worked, stressed border agents doing horrible things. That's their whole schtick. Further, Biden himself is supposed to be there representing his constituents. And more and more, Americans are sounding like people from my little country: America for Americans. The days of the huddled masses are over, I'd wager less than 50% of under 35 year-olds even know what the inscription is on the statue of liberty, and probably think it was built in the bronx.
So, that's where I sit in terms of what I expect from Biden. As I've tried to articulate, I want a totally different world. But given Biden's actual ability to do anything coupled with what his potential voters WANT from him on immigration - and most importantly given the alternative in November - I totally understand why things are playing out like they are.
There is a world where a huge media campaign highlighting that (reminder
America is built on the backs of immigrants. It is an immigrant country. Most of the most major brands have had immigrants at the forefront of success. Athletes, rock stars, movie stars all come from a huge diverse melting-pot of places. Even just calling out the actual demographics of the place would probably shock some people. We could feature amazing stories of asylum seekers bravely giving up their whole lives to see safety in the US and then turning that into amazing contributions to society. But that's all hard. Maybe the next generation will be better, we have to hope so.It's either American decision are made by a senile or someone else is making all those decision for him. Imagine if those people have their own agenda...
Somehow this logic does not apply when the subject is Israel/Gaza war.
We've already been through that with Reagan & HW Bush (to a lesser extent).
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No way he is making it to Election day, might have a little punt on Michelle Obama
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This election is really the battle between the old man caring for his garden while telling the same story forty times, and the old man yelling at the kids and throwing his garbage over the fence because his neighbour forgot to give him back the garden scissors he borrowed 25 years ago, but has forgotten that the neighbour moved 20 years ago.
Well the second old man also wants to be made into king, but he would rather we ignore that detail.
Ignore? He's telling us constantly he wants to be and his base loves it... but otherwise yeah. Biden is looking really old and tired. I think the Israel situation may have accelerated his decline.
Seriously, feck off already.
Step aside and allow a better candidate to stave off Trump. I don’t know who that is but it feels like anyone at this point who isn’t entrenched (that means you Kamala) could beat Trump and avoid the worst case scenario.
Step aside and allow a better candidate to stave off Trump. I don’t know who that is but it feels like anyone at this point who isn’t entrenched (that means you Kamala) could beat Trump and avoid the worst case scenario.
She's polling worse than Biden. On top of which she really doesn't even have a constituency within the Dem party.
Hence i specifically ruled her out.
Sorry, I missed that bit. Newsom should be the replacement if Biden drops out, which is probably why Gavin was pimping himself out in recent months with a trip to China and a debate with DeSantis.
He feels like the Dem equivalent of DeSantis but I don’t know enough about him to be sure.
I don’t know who the answer is, but I’m pretty sure it’s not Biden or any of his ilk.
He's the most viable Dem candidate imo. Completely humiliated DeSantis when they debated.
I’ve stayed out of forming an opinion on this and it’s easy to obsess about the danger on the other side in Trump but feck me he can’t be running. There needs to be some deal making at the convention to coalesce behind another candidate surely!?
Newsom would be the most viable candidate, but in most polls he doesn't turn out enough progressives and young people to win key states.
If they saw any other candidate capable of winning, they probably would. This special counsel report is pretty bad for Biden when coupled with his recent gaffes.
The polls are completely hypothetical though, as in, he's not running at the moment. Voter choices can swing quickly when they have two tangible candidates who are locked in to choose from.
a well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory, yet someone who is expected to last another 4 years as President.
Democrats need to wrap things up now, and start making plans for the next Democrat candidate for the election
Democrats need to wrap things up now, and start making plans for the next Democrat candidate for the election
Fair point. I don't think the Dems would want to risk it as long as Biden is a viable option - but that might change.
The alternative is Trump though. Surely a large proportion will come out just to stop him? And I thought the vote was collapsing for Biden according to the polls with progressives and young people due to Gaza anyway? It just seems like they (and by association the rest of us watching in horror from the outside) are sleepwalking their way to disaster here. They need whoever the Josh Lyman and Leo Mcgarry equivalents are to get into a fecking room and choose!
i think if they could tempt Michelle Obama to run, Biden would probably voluntarily stand down.
Someone needs to Meet Joe Black Biden’s crusty old ass. Just walk him over a bridge into a forest, kill the bastard and then walk back alone and have sex with Claire Forlani. I’d be happy to volunteer for this job.
He can’t be allowed to run, surely? It’s clear to everyone that he’s declined massively. Mind you this is the same country that let Feinstein carry on so perhaps not.
In terms of what we have seen previously , what is the latest a new realistic nominee can come forward?
They’ve gotten themselves in a mess here. Also what is the process. Would Biden announce he is not running and put forward Newsom or Are there still to be primaries?
They’ve gotten themselves in a mess here. Also what is the process. Would Biden announce he is not running and put forward Newsom or Are there still to be primaries?
The sad thing is we all know he is going to end up collapsing/fainting or have some form of Clinton style medical episode. Guy struggles to get through a 10 minute stump speech yet will have to do HUNDREDS of these public events in the months leading up to election day.
These people are going to be really surprised if/when Trump wins and he deports them all, whether they are citizens or not.
Lyndon B. Johnson stepped out of the race for re-election on March 31, 1968. Primaries would still go on, but I think the DNC/Biden administration would allow Newsom to sweep it all in order to keep as much time as possible for a grueling campaign ahead against the GOP.
You would think so, but polls seem to suggest otherwise. But yes, it does seem like a good time to launch a new candidate and potentially run with an incumbent in 2028 and not a fresh face.
How long until the elections did Lyndon B. Johnson announce his refusal to run for the Democratic nomination?
Feels like if Biden is going to step down, yesterday is the best day to do it. Second option is right now, give the Dems a chance to coalesce around someone else
Feels like if Biden is going to step down, yesterday is the best day to do it. Second option is right now, give the Dems a chance to coalesce around someone else
Yeah he's toast.
And if he had any brain left (not much) & the DNC had balls then they'd work their asses off the next few days/weeks to get Newsom into position.
And if he had any brain left (not much) & the DNC had balls then they'd work their asses off the next few days/weeks to get Newsom into position.
I mean who can do allowing or not allowing at this point? His wife?
Why? Cause of bad polling? The election will be close.
Anyway, Biden is not stepping down, and besides, "coronation" of someone who hasn't even gotten a vote in the primaries brings its own set of problems.
Polls say many things right now, two polls where they are tied in Wisconsin, but somehow Morning Consult wants us to believe Biden is getting crushed 5 points nationally.
Sure, we can look at how things went in 1968. The DNC had no solidly viable candidate to face and defeat Nixon.
Biden can't recover from this. Trump and the Republicans and social media will crucify him over this report. It just backs up what most have been saying already. The best hope is he stands down immediately and someone replaces him and in the coming months Trump shows he's going exactly the same way. Let Trump dig his own grave and take the focus off Biden. Any mistake Joe makes from here on in will be amplified tenfold compared to anything Trump says or does.
This report would exclude anyone from any job, let alone the United States Presidency.