The performance was so bad that Tuchel's job should be in danger.
That failure from this position wouldn't change anything anyway?
Starting on the coach's seat
Could not disagree more. This is terrible under achievement under a poor performing manager. Get a manager, for ex Alonso, Bayern will be awesome. I can completely see a Flick like effect with Alonso on this team.
What are you trying to say
You might be right, but I see a lot of bad to decent squad players and not enough wold class first XI players.
To be honest I could see them firing again with just a top tier DM and the right coach. They still have good players all around, their squad has just been too thin/injured and Tuchel hasn't been a perfect match.
On a free on top of it, but he ain't worth much more, he is basically injured as much as Thiago.
I guess some idiots talked about different A.lonso driving someone dead so much in the Greenwood thread that some moderating genius came up with that auto replaceWhat is going on here?
Comments like this are just ridiculous. Bayern has 7 points more than at the same time last season, if they continue with the same points per match, they will have 81 points in the end. Which would be 10 points more than last season and actually matches the record for the most points of any non-Bayern team. So compared to last season they are clearly on an upward trajectory in the league and are performing on a level which historically allowed to win the league.
Have you *seen* tonight's starting lineup?
Ah alright, thanks for clearing that up.
I have. I also did watch the match. And I get what Tuchel was trying to do (only Boey surprised me a bit in that).
I don't think the points mean a lot. The middle and bottom of the league seem rather weak this year. Everyone below Frankfurt is pretty "meh", hence you also see Leverkusen und Stuttgart reaching ppg values that are pretty absurd by their standards, even Dortmund's points tally is pretty high, considering how much issues they have. And when you consider that Nagelsmann had to start Choupo-Moting over and over whereas Tuchel has Kane winning him games almost by default against half the league, then it's even more meaningless.
This autocorrect is silly @Damien.
However Nagelsmann could play Hernandez, Pavard or Stanisic in defence. Bayern fixed their attack in the summer and messed up their defence and I think that evens out overall in terms of squad quality.
Hernandez tore his ACL on the 15th match day last year, Stanisic had four starts in Bundesliga and the reason he's not available right now is, because the club apparently thought they didn't really need him. They also signed Kim. I think maybe you have a point when talking about the CL. But in terms of beating weaker teams in Bundesliga having a striker, who scores >1 goal per game (massively overperforming his xG, too) is a more important factor than anything else.
I don't disagree, actually I think you are right. Signing Kane definitely is part of the reason why Bayern have more points. Still I don't think that their squad is massively stronger than last season, and I don't think Tuchel is underperforming with this squad.
The points average is not bad, but there have been many drab performances glossed over by narrow wins, and a few catastrophic defeats, like today, like Frankfurt and Saarbrücken. It certainly does not feel like getting rid of Nagelsmann has solved anything despite quite a few high profile signings.
All true. You look quite terrible at times but nonetheless you are definitely not underachieving, you just look bad even when you win (what you still usually do). I have no issue with complaining about that, only with claiming that Leverkusen only can lead the table due to Bayern's weakness. But that's simply not the case this season, unlike last season where Dortmund should never have gotten close to Bayern considering how far behind they were.
That's not something I ever said though. They are very good, and we'd need them to do the grandfather of all Dortmund meltdowns now.
In the second leg we never got going. Thought we played well in the first leg, Onana just had a nightmare and you got a dodgy penalty.
You didn't, but our discussion here started with my reply to @mav_9me who claimed Tuchel was underachieving and performing terribly.
We were, our whole team bar Hojlund was terrible yet for some reason all the blame has been put on Andre Onana.
I didn't think it was but thought you'd be able to pull some strings to get it removed!
