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Brain dead from Neuer. 1 Minute to play and down by 2 goals. What was he thinking?
The complete team and the coach failed.

It was so bad, that the loss doesn't even hurt much.
 
I didn't know it was that bad for Bayern. They have a huge rebuilding job to do.
 
Brain dead from Neuer. 1 Minute to play and down by 2 goals. What was he thinking?
The complete team and the coach failed.

It was so bad, that the loss doesn't even hurt much.

The performance was so bad that Tuchel's job should be in danger.
 
UEFA should invite Leverkusen to the CL knockout stages, so City has some competition. Would be a crime, if they didn´t win the title. Also can that Bayer CEO just hike the prices for Aspirin, so we can get another few seasons of Alonso/Wirtz together at Leverkusen.
 
What a cherry on top of that win with the goal by Frimpong :D

Solid performance from Leverkusen, reminensence of Chelsea under Jose in a way. Not dominating by creating a ton of chances, but being efficient and not being under any trouble defensively.

The tactics from Tuchel were just mad, don't think I've seen him go with such a formation before and he choses this game out of all to try it out. You can say he was outclassed by Alonso, but he shot himself in the foot with that backline.
 
I didn't know it was that bad for Bayern. They have a huge rebuilding job to do.

Could not disagree more. This is terrible under achievement under a poor performing manager. Get a manager, for ex Alonso, Bayern will be awesome. I can completely see a Flick like effect with Alonso on this team.
 
Can somebody please take back the fecking ridiculous autocorrect of Alonso
 
Could not disagree more. This is terrible under achievement under a poor performing manager. Get a manager, for ex [Irrelevant point - unless we are talking about F1], Bayern will be awesome. I can completely see a Flick like effect with [Irrelevant point - unless we are talking about F1] on this team.
You might be right, but I see a lot of bad to decent squad players and not enough wold class first XI players.
 
I didn't know it was that bad for Bayern. They have a huge rebuilding job to do.

To be honest I could see them firing again with just a top tier DM and the right coach. They still have good players all around, their squad has just been too thin/injured and Tuchel hasn't been a perfect match.
 
I didn't realise Bayern signed yet another Dortmund player in Guerreiro.
 
Could not disagree more. This is terrible under achievement under a poor performing manager. Get a manager, for ex [Irrelevant point - unless we are talking about F1], Bayern will be awesome. I can completely see a Flick like effect with [Irrelevant point - unless we are talking about F1] on this team.
Comments like this are just ridiculous. Bayern has 7 points more than at the same time last season, if they continue with the same points per match, they will have 81 points in the end. Which would be 10 points more than last season and actually matches the record for the most points of any non-Bayern team. So compared to last season they are clearly on an upward trajectory in the league and are performing on a level which historically allowed to win the league.

And while they improved it a bit in the winter transfer window, Bayerns squad is still shit in some areas.
 
Comments like this are just ridiculous. Bayern has 7 points more than at the same time last season, if they continue with the same points per match, they will have 81 points in the end. Which would be 10 points more than last season and actually matches the record for the most points of any non-Bayern team. So compared to last season they are clearly on an upward trajectory in the league and are performing on a level which historically allowed to win the league.

And while they improved it a bit in the winter transfer window, Bayerns squad is still shit in some areas.
Have you *seen* tonight's starting lineup?
 
Have you *seen* tonight's starting lineup?
I have. I also did watch the match. And I get what Tuchel was trying to do (only Boey surprised me a bit in that).

Tuchel did go for the same approach against Stuttgart (although with a different formation) and it worked very well then, I did not see this idea as a mistake. The ridiculously bad defending of the first goal wasn't due to the formation, and setting up for counter attacks becomes difficult when you concede such a goal and have to come back.

I also have seen Bayern's bench full of unfit or recently injured players

And to complete the comparison to last season: Bayern lost in Gladbach on the 21st Matchday. Gladbach were 8th in the league after than match. Leverkusen are 1st. Less bad to lose against the 1st than against the 8th, isn't it? ;)
 
Comments like this are just ridiculous. Bayern has 7 points more than at the same time last season, if they continue with the same points per match, they will have 81 points in the end. Which would be 10 points more than last season and actually matches the record for the most points of any non-Bayern team. So compared to last season they are clearly on an upward trajectory in the league and are performing on a level which historically allowed to win the league.

And while they improved it a bit in the winter transfer window, Bayerns squad is still shit in some areas.

I don't think the points mean a lot. The middle and bottom of the league seem rather weak this year. Everyone below Frankfurt is pretty "meh", hence you also see Leverkusen und Stuttgart reaching ppg values that are pretty absurd by their standards, even Dortmund's points tally is pretty high, considering how much issues they have. And when you consider that Nagelsmann had to start Choupo-Moting over and over whereas Tuchel has Kane winning him games almost by default against half the league, then it's even more meaningless.
And defeats like against Frankfurt or the one today are almost sacking offences on their own. Like I wouldn't be surprised if Bayern begin head hunting a coach for next season tomorrow, even though the five points aren't impossible to make up at all and the CL is still open.
 
I don't think the points mean a lot. The middle and bottom of the league seem rather weak this year. Everyone below Frankfurt is pretty "meh", hence you also see Leverkusen und Stuttgart reaching ppg values that are pretty absurd by their standards, even Dortmund's points tally is pretty high, considering how much issues they have. And when you consider that Nagelsmann had to start Choupo-Moting over and over whereas Tuchel has Kane win him games against half the league, then it's even more meaningless.
And defeats like against Frankfurt or the one today are almost sacking offences on their own. Like I wouldn't be surprised if Bayern begin head hunting a coach for next season tomorrow.
However Nagelsmann could play Hernandez, Pavard or Stanisic in defence. Bayern fixed their attack in the summer and messed up their defence and I think that evens out overall in terms of squad quality.
 
However Nagelsmann could play Hernandez, Pavard or Stanisic in defence. Bayern fixed their attack in the summer and messed up their defence and I think that evens out overall in terms of squad quality.

Hernandez tore his ACL on the 15th match day last year, Stanisic had four starts in Bundesliga and the reason he's not available right now is, because the club apparently thought they didn't really need him. They also signed Kim. I think maybe you have a point when talking about the CL. But in terms of beating weaker teams in Bundesliga having a striker, who scores >1 goal per game (massively overperforming his xG, too) is a more important factor than anything else.
 
Hernandez tore his ACL on the 15th match day last year, Stanisic had four starts in Bundesliga and the reason he's not available right now is, because the club apparently thought they didn't really need him. They also signed Kim. I think maybe you have a point when talking about the CL. But in terms of beating weaker teams in Bundesliga having a striker, who scores >1 goal per game (massively overperforming his xG, too) is a more important factor than anything else.
I don't disagree, actually I think you are right. Signing Kane definitely is part of the reason why Bayern have more points. Still I don't think that their squad is massively stronger than last season, and I don't think Tuchel is underperforming with this squad.
 
The main problem is the injury crisis. There are hardly 2 matches, Tuchel can field the same team.

Today the offense was actually even worse than the defense. Sané looks out of form since the start of the year. Same accounts for Musiala. Coman and Gnabry have long time injuries. Kane has games where he is totally invisible (Bremen or today). Tel just isn't on the level (yet).
 
I don't disagree, actually I think you are right. Signing Kane definitely is part of the reason why Bayern have more points. Still I don't think that their squad is massively stronger than last season, and I don't think Tuchel is underperforming with this squad.
The points average is not bad, but there have been many drab performances glossed over by narrow wins, and a few catastrophic defeats, like today, like Frankfurt and Saarbrücken. It certainly does not feel like getting rid of Nagelsmann has solved anything despite quite a few high profile signings.
 
The points average is not bad, but there have been many drab performances glossed over by narrow wins, and a few catastrophic defeats, like today, like Frankfurt and Saarbrücken. It certainly does not feel like getting rid of Nagelsmann has solved anything despite quite a few high profile signings.
All true. You look quite terrible at times but nonetheless you are definitely not underachieving, you just look bad even when you win (what you still usually do). I have no issue with complaining about that, only with claiming that Leverkusen only can lead the table due to Bayern's weakness. But that's simply not the case this season, unlike last season where Dortmund should never have gotten close to Bayern considering how far behind they were.
 
I have no issue with complaining about that, only with claiming that Leverkusen only can lead the table due to Bayern's weakness.
That's not something I ever said though. They are very good, and we'd need them to do the grandfather of all Dortmund meltdowns now.
 
That's not something I ever said though. They are very good, and we'd need them to do the grandfather of all Dortmund meltdowns now.
You didn't, but our discussion here started with my reply to @mav_9me who claimed Tuchel was underachieving and performing terribly.
 
Pep Guardiola is my idol vs Alonso, the question isn't who is the better manager but which is the better autocorrect?
 
Had nothing to do with me. Who is it about - [Irrelevant point - unless we are talking about F1]?

Edit: Ah yeah
I didn't think it was but thought you'd be able to pull some strings to get it removed!
 
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