We won't hire him unless we can come to an agreement with Newcastle to release him from his contract and start at United as early as possible .
Dan Ashworth - Newcastle DoF currently tending to his garden
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Cheeky feckers that want his entire contract paid out and be on gardening leave until 2025.
He'd no doubt be pulling strings in the background anyway.
He'd no doubt be pulling strings in the background anyway.
If he comes, we are immediately in business.
Hopefully! That’ll be expensive
Dan's a fantastic man he really is.
Luckhurst now saying he wants the move too - this one appears to be happening.
As the reports originally came from Luke Edwards, who is North-East based, you have to think it is the Newcastle side who have leaked this.
As the reports originally came from Luke Edwards, who is North-East based, you have to think it is the Newcastle side who have leaked this.
I didn't think there was any chance of this one and was expecting us to end up with Dougie Freedman, who wouldn't be a bad appointment at all. But if Ornstein says Ashworth is open to a move then we're in business.
So who are we gonna raid off Arsenal and Liverpool?
So who are we gonna raid off Arsenal and Liverpool?
This is all very impressive I have to say
Actually having sporting people, knowledgeable people, in control? Bit weird all this.
Max gardening leave in the UK is 6 months so if sorted soon it'd likely be late summer he'd start
Didn’t know that. Just going by what Edwards said. He’s well connected at Newcastle so probably playing up their angle.
Maybe I am being cautious, but Ashworths CV as a technical director is quite limited. Couple years at Brighton and one at Newcastle. He's brought in neat players but the list isnt extensive.
That being said, he's obviously a good pick from what we have out there.
That being said, he's obviously a good pick from what we have out there.
He will start immediately. It basically means don’t touch our targets and if you do that’ll prove you’re working when you shouldn’t.
I’m reading of transfers he’s getting credit for despite that time period being his gardening leave after leaving Brighton
Would the incoming bald bloke from City have been involved in this decision?
His work with England and the FA is the biggest thing on his CV, really. We’re supposedly bringing in a head of recruitment as well as DOF/Technical Director
Yeah that's good. 2012-2018 is a good stint there. Unclear what head of elite development actually does though. Says he helps build the England DNA which is a bit wishy washy. Also considering we are still bottlers I'm not sure if that's a good thing!
The weird thing to me is how we kept the Barrada deal very quiet, yet this is all over the news. Makes me think this speculation is just that, speculation… more than an actuality. I’d like this to be true, of course!
I get the apprehension given we are the quintessential false dawn club at this point, but Ashworth is one of the best appointments we could have made and is the first time we've gotten somebody of his pedigree upstairs. It's just as important as getting the manager absolutely right at this point for us (if not more so?). The perfect candidate probably doesn't exist, but all the noise around him suggests it's absolutely an appointment to get excited for.
Big Dick Jim just walking up to all the stateowned clubs and punching them in the dick.
It was also the implementation of the four corners model for player development, something which English teams are doing very well at currently. As well as a full rethink of the coach education programs also.
Two of the underage groups he would have had a direct influence on were U17 World Cup winners and now the tecent U21 Euro's winners.
It's obviously true. Ornstein has backed it up. We aren't leaking anything. The Barrada deal was first mentioned from City's side. This Ashworth development is coming from Newcastle.
Why would Pep be involved?
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It is 6 month, right?
Obviously. But Murtough and Ashworth should be able to communicate.
Yeah defo and even so it doesn't really mean much, Paratici was banned and was still working with Spurs, I'm sure Ashworth would still be working in the background
Great transfer. Refreshing to see the underperforming "top" getting the cut ahead of us plebs in an organisation. Not quite the Glazers like we all wanted but it'll make do for now.
He's an employee, he can just quit. (Not that it will happen that way, but Newcastle doesn't have the power to stop us from signing him if we want to, nor they would be keen to keep a disilusioned executive at such a critical position)
Why would Newcastle leak this story then? It’s not per se a good look on them? Didn’t see ornstein + Romano before posting previously, so yeah.. looks like your right.
just hope it goes through! Seems like a wonderful signing.
Damage limitation so it's not some big shock announcement when it comes out.
Like others have said, this development seems to be coming from the Newcastle side, theycan put their own spin on it if they brief first. Secondly, I think we wanted to keep the Berrada deal under wraps so prevent any potential City intervention, given how highly he's rated if they got wind of us negotiating with him then they'd have got involved and potentially convinced him to stay.
Great appointment. Fingers crossed it goes through.
Not every story that gets out is a "leak" though is it? This type of story doesn't go looking for the journalists, they do have to do work and ask pertinent questions of clubs and their employees, both on and off record to get a story. The major difference between this story and the Barrada deal is that the journalists have a good idea of where we are looking for a DoF, whereas nobody considered that we were looking at City for our next CEO.
The damning line in the Telegraph article was "However, Newcastle’s hierarchy are well aware of the rumours and want to seek assurances from Ashworth that he is committed to staying long term. That commitment has not yet been explicitly given, publicly or privately, and things are likely to come to a head in the next few days.", the likes of Ornstein would have been aware of that, and would have put the relevant questions to figures at United, whereby enough non-denials would give them reason to run the story. Equally once the club were aware of Newcastle's concerns, it is in United's interests for a story like Ornstein's naming Ashworth as the number one choice to publicly come out so perhaps their comments in response to Ornstein's questions would have been confirmations more than non-denials. I just think this is more a case of journalists doing their jobs properly rather than a "leak", per se.
They'd have to wait until this summer.
Ah nice, il give that a read.
Think it's just a case of a fairly reliable Newcastle journalist reporting news, be it good or bad. Similar to what someone like Luckhurst would do regarding us.
Would be another good appointment on paper. Only thing you need to watch out for with a lot of 'best in class' appointments is making sure roles are clearly defined and ego's don't become an issue.
We were all excited when Wenger left and his roles became more shared, but the reality was we had the Kronke's, Sanllehi, Vinai, Mislintat, Emery, & laterally Edu and it all became a bit of a mish mash where roles didn't seem to be clearly defined, ego's were involved and a bit of a power struggle ensued.
Was only when we cleared the decks a bit and a clear order of Josh > Vinai > Edu > Arteta did things start to get much better.
I'm sure Utd will manage that side of things better than what we did at the time though. Exciting times for a Utd supporter i'd say.
We were all excited when Wenger left and his roles became more shared, but the reality was we had the Kronke's, Sanllehi, Vinai, Mislintat, Emery, & laterally Edu and it all became a bit of a mish mash where roles didn't seem to be clearly defined, ego's were involved and a bit of a power struggle ensued.
Was only when we cleared the decks a bit and a clear order of Josh > Vinai > Edu > Arteta did things start to get much better.
I'm sure Utd will manage that side of things better than what we did at the time though. Exciting times for a Utd supporter i'd say.
Rob Dawson reporting that we would also like Sam Jewell, current head of recruitment at Brighton to work under him.
I'd like to think this bloke we signed from City would have an idea about how he wants the structure set up as he's obviously coming from a well-oiled machine, time will tell though. The early signs are promising, more so than at any other time in the last decade. By the sounds of it we want a CEO -> DoF -> Head of Recruitment which sounds straightforward and hopefully well-defined but we shall see.
Yoink.