Ludens the Red
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If the worse does happen and he is actually appointed. At the very least we can feel comfortable knowing the experiment wont last very long. He’d struggle to see out a season.
It's what we all hope, yeah.Somebody has seen the link with Ashworth and Southgate and made 5.
Well, yeah - there it is.Although it would be hilarious to see Southgate appointed, I'm not taking the piss when I say that I can see a reason that the new hierarchy might want someone like Southgate (and specifically Southgate given his history with your new boss).
Haha true. That was a loooong time ago though and he pulled up no trees.Bit harsh on Middlesbrough!!
Indeed. The "who replaces Southgate" thread will be up and running before the end of August.If the worse does happen and he is actually appointed. At the very least we can feel comfortable knowing the experiment wont last very long. He’d struggle to see out a season.
I'm aware, hence my second sentence.He's (probably) taking the piss/trolling you, mate.
Ah, yes - sorry.I'm aware, hence my second sentence.
Ten Hag has done very little to convince me.If Southgate is our only option after Ten Hag, I'd rather keep Ten Hag
It's what we all hope, yeah.
It makes no sense whatsoever for United to go for Southgate.
It makes more sense for United to stick with ETH than to go for Southgate (and it doesn't make that much sense to stick with ETH either).
The only possible argument for Southgate is that he has "gate" in his name already.
If hiring him turns out to be a failure or fiasco (and not least if there's something positively fishy about him, say that it turns out he's Hitler's grandson), the media can't possibly use the term "Southgategate" - because that would be ridiculous.
All that is true, but he wears three piece suits and is proper British innit?OP's question is the wrong one. For me it should be "Is Gareth Southgate the most overrated manager on the planet?". To which the answer could very well be yes.
He has a reputation built solely on England's supposed improvement in tournaments. But if you actually scratch beneath the surface of that record, it really isn't what it is cracked up to be.
If my memory serves me right, in 3 tournaments England have played top tier opposition 7 times.
Belgium x2, Croatia x2, Germany, Italy and France.
Southgate won 2 of these games, and lost 5. The two wins were a group game against Croatia, and a knockout game against the worst Germany team in 50 years.
Had he have lost any other games against mid level opposition on route to latter stages of tournaments, he would have rightly been hung out to dry by the UK media.
And not only that, his role at England involves zero squad building or coaching really. It is simply to assemble an 11 from the superstars that are served up on a platter. And based on the talent we have at our disposal, the football is usually awful.
It blows my mind that he is being linked with United.
This is why I take comfort it can't be true. I would actually fear this outcome in the old setup - who better for the Glazers to whack at the helm as a 'manager', than a yes man who wants to keep people happy and would jump at the chance to manage Luton, let alone United, with next to zero pedigree as a hands on head coach.Ten Hag has done very little to convince me.
But in a hypothetical scenario where competent people above him in the structure decide that it's better to give him a chance as a coach (not a "manager", not as someone with any heavy input on player recruitment and long-term strategy)...rather than hiring a new coach, and ETH is fine with this...yes, okay.
I'd rather that than hiring Southgate as either a "manager" (that would be horrible, because we absolutely need to move away from that "model") or as a "head coach" (because...what the feck has he ever done in that regard to inspire anyone with confidence? The consensus on him is hardly that he's made the most of the players available to him).
His record against top 10 teams with England is terrible. The only positive I hear is that he would introduce a good culture, there has not been anyone claim he is good tactically.The brave facing on it if we did appoint Southgate would be a reminder of the Moyes news.
He's got less of a pedigree then Moyes had and coasting through a few tournaments that have never been lower standard with our best crop of talent in 30 years doesn't change that.
It just would make no sense on any level.His record against top 10 teams with England is terrible. The only positive I hear is that he would introduce a good culture, there has not been anyone claim he is good tactically.
It would be seriously depressing if he was appointed.
There's levels though.If the rumor is any true that INEOS is considering Southgate for Man Utd position, INEOS's management approach and expertise are the more concerning part for me.
Southgate has zero proven record of managing club success, also his record with national team is really up to debate how successful it is, taken he pretty much enjoy a generation of talents produced by the EPL while zero trophy brought in. INEOS even entertained for such idea is baffling .
Likewise, Porter and De Zerbi both should not be considered. If they ever brought Brighton top 4 then I could have given them benefit of the doubt , but the truth is their profiles are too light to manage top club at this point, no matter how brilliant they managed to deliver one or two games at a time facing top teams.
ClearlyHe insisted on using Maguire when everyone was giving him dog’s abuse, even United fans.
He kept benching Sancho even when he was at Dortmund. Now we see the guy’s nature at United.
People mocked him for Bellingham’s performance in the last World Cup. Now the boy is showing his class at Real.
May be, just may be, he is a better manager than the CAF gives him credit for?
The myth that keeps on givingA better manager wouldn't have let it get to penalties.
It isn't because Italy were hands down the best team in THAT tournament. England did very well to take them to penalties.It's worth pointing out how poor Italy had been before and since that tournament:
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If England hadn't sat back from the third minute they'd have won that with ease.It isn't because Italy were hands down the best team in THAT tournament. England did very well to take them to penalties.
As if. England had the inferior midfield and it became rather apparent after 20 mins. They did well to even have a lead to defend.If England hadn't sat back from the third minute they'd have won that with ease.
Not really. Italy were there for the taking after that early lead. He shat it as usual.The myth that keeps on giving
Not really. Italy were there for the taking after that early lead. He shat it as usual.
That never happenedPeople mocked him for Bellingham’s performance in the last World Cup. Now the boy is showing his class at Real.
Literally never happened. What he was mocked for, was not using Bellingham when he was ready at the euros.People mocked him for Bellingham’s performance in the last World Cup. Now the boy is showing his class at Real.
I admire Potter that he has climbed up the ladder to get where he is , but his next club should be Tottenham / Villa / West Ham instead of Man Utd . He may have all the knowledge that a top coach needs , but he could easily lose the dressing room taken he has no top club success experience or halo from his player era. Poch on the other hand elevated Tottenham into a regular top 4 club at his watch and managed PSG for 1.5 years , but still subpar on his Chelsea job. That really tells how difficult to manage a top club nowadays.There's levels though.
Potter and De Zerbi makes sense if you take phase 1 of INEOS' plan to hire a head coach who they think will be able to make us competitive for the CL but likely isn't good enough to win the PL/CL (especially if they don't think their No1 target is available) because they have actual coaching experience across different leagues with relative success. Part of me hopes to see Potter back at a bigger club and I don't think he'd be the disaster people think he is, especially thinking of what we're seeing now with Poch at Chelsea, because he represents how football managers should be selected - grafted his arse off in minor Swedish leagues, did well, grafted in the lower English leagues, did well, got the Brighton job, did well, and then did badly at Chelsea. All the while, United were hiring Ole, Chelsea had Frank, Gerrard went in at Villa, Arteta at Arsenal...he obviously doesn't have the 'name' against them but he's got a shit load more actual coaching experience. Maybe he's not quite good enough for a team who wants to win the league but I can see him returning to the PL and doing well again.
Spain were better. Morata simply misses too many chances. If Spain had David Villa instead of Alvaro Morata they cruise through the semi and the final.It isn't because Italy were hands down the best team in THAT tournament. England did very well to take them to penalties.
No they were not. They were superior to England by far in midfield and had a world class center defensive unit behind that midfield. The idea England could have easily bested them is fanciful in the extreme.Not really. Italy were there for the taking after that early lead. He shat it as usual.
He probably won't even be able to do that at club as he will be around the players all the time, it's pretty easy to be chill and good vibes when you only have them for a week and then they're someone else's problem, or you are out of the country for weeks at a time with no distractions.His record against top 10 teams with England is terrible. The only positive I hear is that he would introduce a good culture, there has not been anyone claim he is good tactically.
It would be seriously depressing if he was appointed.