Disgusting. And yet somehow, noble.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome
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Now I'm doubly convinced that City's logo (it's not a crest or badge) being prominent in some scenes of 3 Body Problem was marketing by them.
Poignant scene remembering a deceased friend? Lets have him look at a Manchester City™ shot glass.
Of course it is - as a response to that stupid post from the other guy
Sozzer - I was playing along
My thoughts are they're dirty smelly cheating corrupt bastards
It's the Dailymail, but still - one can imagine that such a 'tax' would be an incredible opportunity to fill people's pockets left, right and centre:
Premier League eyeing ABOLISHING points deductions and introducing an NBA-style 'luxury tax' over fears top stars will leave if rules restrict their pay - after Everton and Nottingham Forest lost points
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13271249/Premier-League-eyeing-ABOLISHING-points-deductions-introducing-NBA-style-luxury-tax-fears-stars-leave-rules-restrict-pay-Everton-Nottingham-Forest-lost-points.html
Premier League clubs are considering abolishing points deductions and introducing a 'luxury tax', Mail Sport can reveal.
The hefty points-deduction punishments for Everton and Nottingham Forest - coupled with a quiet January transfer window as clubs did not dare overspend and risk sanction - have left many officials to deem the league's Profit and Sustainability Rules (PSR) not fit for purpose.
There are also grave fears are that, under its current guise, PSR will see the Premier League fall from its lucrative position as the world's best league because it will no longer be able to afford the best players on the best salaries.
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Premier League eyeing ABOLISHING points deductions and introducing an NBA-style 'luxury tax' over fears top stars will leave if rules restrict their pay - after Everton and Nottingham Forest lost points
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13271249/Premier-League-eyeing-ABOLISHING-points-deductions-introducing-NBA-style-luxury-tax-fears-stars-leave-rules-restrict-pay-Everton-Nottingham-Forest-lost-points.html
Premier League clubs are considering abolishing points deductions and introducing a 'luxury tax', Mail Sport can reveal.
The hefty points-deduction punishments for Everton and Nottingham Forest - coupled with a quiet January transfer window as clubs did not dare overspend and risk sanction - have left many officials to deem the league's Profit and Sustainability Rules (PSR) not fit for purpose.
There are also grave fears are that, under its current guise, PSR will see the Premier League fall from its lucrative position as the world's best league because it will no longer be able to afford the best players on the best salaries.
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Erm ok, that sounds like it'd be fair and not open to abuse at all. Also do Everton get their points back?
aka, how city can pay a fine for their 115 charges
That can’t be true. Imagine the backlash as it would be obvious it’s being done to spare city losing out.
Realistically though, what backlash would there be? Fans will still go to stadiums, people will grumble about it but the money will keep pouring in.
Wow, that sounds awful. The PL are essentially saying you can spend as much as you want as long as you give us little on the side.
Yeah, welcome to the world.
No, this is actually great*
This is a great way to rein in spending across the board. Establish a threshold. You're free to spend however much you want. But above the threshold, the tax becomes more and more punitive. Spend £100m above the threshold? You must remit an additional £500m to the PL that will distribute that tax to the other 19 teams and rest of the pyramid.
*Under no circumstance must this be applied to current cases being investigated. But going forward great idea.
Don't they do this in MLB, anybody goes over the threshold, they pay luxury tax and it gets shared out between the teams that didn't.
I thought that FFP was designed to protect clubs though? If there's a loophole like this then the protection can be easily voided, then we must ask ourselves what's the point in FFP?
Ratcliffe has talked to Masters, and told him this is the only way United can spend during next transfer window. United are in deep shit when it comes to PSR.
Well I’d hope people would have an issue with a cheating club benefiting from rule changes that are designed to help them escape punishment. Especially when clubs have already been punished for less. What would even be the point of watching a sport that was like that? I’d certainly be fecking it off if that happened.
It wasn't.
But let's proceed with that assumption.
Mandate that all financial commitments made be backed with actual funds placed in escrow.
You want your dictator to fund the next Bruno Fernandez? He will cost 45m + 20m in salary over 4 years. Mandate that all funds not payable immediately be placed in an escrow account, only accessible for the purposes of fulfilling obligations to said player.
If there are any financial issues going forward, this will ensure that all current financial obligations can be paid without putting the club at risk of liquidation or extreme distress.
okay, fair enough, wasn't aware about the redistribution of the tax to the pyramid. Would that be a guarantee though or is there a chance a bunch of PL executives redistribute that to themselves and their mates/families somehow?
That said, it would be such a disgrace if this were to somehow come in just before City's charges are trialed and they are punished with fines instead of something worthy of their cheating.
That would be extremely unfair as you know only a small number of clubs in the world could operate like that.
These rules changes are not designed to help City escape punishment. These rules changes are designed to help United invest in the next transfer window.
Oh absolutely!
But we've been told that football is unfair and there are big clubs and there are small clubs and we have to deal with it. In that framework, this is less fair.
I'd just seize power, have my chief executioner @JPRouve fire Tebas and Agnelli out of cannons, and institute hard spending caps across the board. But that's me
I think for older people maybe it would kill football for them and they'd lose interest but you only need to see the amount of kids wearing City tops to understand that unless the media start to call them out and they get made an example of, the vast majority of football fans will complain but do nothing about it. Maybe you'll get a few empty seats at their away games for a season or two and some sponsors might be wary but they won't care, they self sponsor anyway.
Would be the end of the league it’s already becoming dull and predictable.
Greed is such a horrible human trait and destroyed so many great things.
Greed is such a horrible human trait and destroyed so many great things.
So basically City can buy anyone they want and just pay the tax afterwards. That will definitely help level the field for the smaller clubs l o l
Oh absolutely!
But we've been told that football is unfair and there are big clubs and there are small clubs and we have to deal with it. In that framework, this is less fair.
I'd just seize power, have my chief executioner @JPRouve fire Tebas and Agnelli out of cannons, and institute hard spending caps across the board. But that's me
I'm proud to accept the position. I would add Perez, the Glazer family as well as both the UEFA and ECA current and previous board members.
Ah, if the rules don’t allow for City to be deemed innocent, we just abolish punishments. Very smart indeed.
Nobody messes with ‘The Cartel’!
If City is allowed to come off this with the new sanctions system of just paying a fine, I’ll drop watching the Premier League.
It’s a dumb change. But no way on earth can Coty be punished under new rules. They committed 115 charges under the current rules. They’ll be punished according to them.
I agree. It will allow any team with a huge bankroll to just do whatever and pay a "tax" at the end of the year, which for some of these oil states would be chump change.
What a particularly terrible time to announce something like this. Nevermind City, if you're a fan of Everton and Nottingham Forest you must be fuming, especially if you get relegated.
The uncertainty of this all is making a mockery of the game.
The uncertainty of this all is making a mockery of the game.
Really? I reckon they will be punished by the rules as they stand when the punishment is actually given (I believe it could be the end of next season) in which case it could be a ten million fine maybe?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/115_(number)
The fact that their charges are given as an example of the number on Wiki is class, hats off to whoever dunnit!
The fact that their charges are given as an example of the number on Wiki is class, hats off to whoever dunnit!
No
They should and will be judged, and punished (if found guilty) according to rules in place at the time of alleged violations
If they aren’t adequately punished, the PL is dead, they just don’t know it yet.
How they have been allowed to get to a stage where they have a bench of Ederson, Akanji, Nunes, Bernardo, Foden, Kovacic, Doku for a must win away game is farsical.
Good squad building is easy when you break all the rules. If it’s allowed, it’s over.
How they have been allowed to get to a stage where they have a bench of Ederson, Akanji, Nunes, Bernardo, Foden, Kovacic, Doku for a must win away game is farsical.
Good squad building is easy when you break all the rules. If it’s allowed, it’s over.
I’m pretty sure they are comparable to Utd and Chelsea in terms of spending though. They’ve just a) done it very well, and b) have virtually no injuries at the moment. I bet you could pick a Utd team with no injuries and have a bench that vastly outweighs the cost of the bottom 15 teams.
Remember that from the perspective of most PL teams the amount that Utd can spend is an absolute pipe dream. And yet those fans don’t consider the Premiership dead.