or that’s what he gets for wasting a golden opportunity to put his side 2 up at the Bernaneu
Will Harry Kane ever win a trophy?
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He'll likely win domestic trophies with Bayern at some point, quite probably next year, but it hardly seems enough for one of the best strikers of this generation.
On the other hand, he could win the EURO with England. That would be something
On the other hand, he could win the EURO with England. That would be something
With Bayern failing to even get 2nd place, there goes his chance of winning the german super cup as well.
He's turned Bayern into Spurs.
Bayern have been Kaned!
Bayern have been Kaned!
Jeez. What an awful season it’s been for Bayern.
some players aim to win titles in multiple countries, he should go for finishing third in a 2 horse race in every country 
Yup. He could go to Rangers or Celtic and they’d finish 3rd behind Hearts.some players aim to win titles in multiple countries, he should go for finishing third in a 2 horse race in every country
The weirdest thing is that the second horse finished 5thsome players aim to win titles in multiple countries, he should go for finishing third in a 2 horse race in every country
Bayern still top of the understat xPts table. He's also got an Audi cup.
To be fair to Kane, unlike many other world class players, he hasn’t had that many opportunities to compete in big game situations. Not comparatively compared to other top players of his generation. He has played in just four finals across his entire career. Three for Spurs (2015 Carabao cup loss vs Chelsea, 2021 Carabao cup loss vs City, 2019 CL final loss vs Liverpool), and one for England (2021 Euro Final loss va Italy). In all instances for Spurs he was their key danger man, and almost their only danger man. If the opposition shut him down, they’d likely win the game. He was never part of some brilliant attacking unit that demanded equal attention for his team mates, and in all instances - bar maybe Italy - lost to the superior team.
You mentioned him not showing up for England when it mattered, yet in Euro 2020, for example, he scored against Germany in R16, two in the QF, and the winner in the semi-final. Only getting a blank in the final against defensive masters Italy. We wouldn’t even have been in the final if it wasn’t for Kane. By contrast, Cristiano Ronaldo has played in five world cups (2006, 2010, 2014, 2018, 2022), and never scored a goal in the knockout stages (8 games….might have been more if he had scored). With him, Portugal have played in two Euro finals - 2004 when they lost to Greece and Ronaldo missed two big chances, and 2016 when they beat France but Ronaldo went off injured early on and didn’t contribute to the result - in which he hasn’t scored or positively contributed; yet is anyone saying he doesn’t show up for Portugal? No, because that would be ridiculous, much like is the argument about Kane.
It’s so easy to manipulate the facts to fit a narrative by focusing on the game where Kane didn’t score, but it ignores all the games he did score in that got the team in that position in the first place. If it wasn’t for his goals, England wouldn’t have been in even half the latter stage situations they found themselves in, and through that lens, we could say his teammates let him down. Rather than vice versa. Now, I’m not necessarily arguing that, I’m just pointing out the folly of focusing so much on an individual when assessing the success of a side in a team sport. There are ten other guys on the pitch wearing the same badge as him.
You also cited 2015/16 as him not showing up for Spurs, which is perhaps the most ridiculous of them all. That Spurs team was fundamentally flawed, yet remained in a sort of weird, half arsed title hunt solely because of Kane. As pointed out already, in 2015/16 It was still a team sport, and while his team mates were doing their best efforts to meltdown when the going got tough, Kane scored 25 league goals. Even in that infamous game against Chelsea when the implosion began, Kane scored a brace. Their next highest scorers? Dele Alli on 10, and Christian Eriksen on 6. It’s just a really weird accusation to throw at him.
It seems really strange that in an era, more than any other, where the focus on team cohesion and functionality is higher than ever, we still obsess over individual performances in one off games to paint broad strokes about a player’s mentality or capability. But it’s a fool’s game. Look at Eder, scorer of goal….one international final, one goal, one trophy….is he a better big game player than Ronaldo on the international stage? If you had to select an all star line up for a one off Euros or World Cup final, would you select him over Ronaldo or Kane? No, I didn’t think so.
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Kane was good and scored goals but this is some creative reframing of Euro 2020. The forward that carried England to the final was Sterling, not Kane. Kane scored an open goal tap in created by Sterling for the 2-0, after Sterling had opened the score, 2 in an easy demolition of overmatched Ukraine, and a penalty, again won by Sterling, against Denmark. Then he ghosted the final. In a game in which much of Southgate's plans went through him and his ability to hold the ball up and play his teammates in behind
And how!
Croatia vs England, 2018 World Cup Semifinal: Trippier opens the score early on, England's energy and aggression are too much for Croatia and around the 20th minute Kane gets slipped through on goal, he has Sterling alone in the middle of the box, it's a 2 vs gk and if they score the game os likely over and England are in the world cup final. Instead of squaring it to Sterling for an open goal tap in, Kane shoots and hits a double post, ball goes out, England's energy levels drop, Modric and Brozovic take over the game in midfield and Croatia ends up winning the game
Euro 2020: Southgate essentially repeats the Croatia strategy, at home, throwing an extra tactical wrinkle that surprises Italy and helps England to score immediately, then have a 15/20 minute spell of real dominance which they fail to turn into a 2 goal lead. Kane does his job well during this stretch but ultimately fails to make a difference. Then England's energy levels drop, and when England needs Kane to hold up the ball and set the table for their attack, he gets swallowed alive by Bonucci and Chiellini, England get pinned into their box and eventually concede the equalizer. Kane will fail to leave a mark on the game even as England eventually regains the upper hand thanks to substitutions and tiredness. Scores his penalty in the shootout
France, WC 2022: another game in which he plays relatively well though he's once again the worse than his attacking partners(Saka and Foden), scores a penalty, then misses another that would have sent the game to extra time, where England would most likely have had the upper hand
See? Very easy indeed
Eeeeh. Colombia he scored a penalty, Germany it was the 2-0, Ukraine it was 4-0 against a clearly overmatched opponent Denmark another penalty, Senegal 3-0 see Ukraine, France a penalty
So yah, it's true enough what you say, but also...eh. 3 Tournaments, and he was never England's best attacker
Thought we would have a "lets all laugh at harry kane" thread.
On a serious note, he must be thinking "what have i done to deserve this ?"
On a serious note, he must be thinking "what have i done to deserve this ?"
I never believed in bad juju but this seriously needs to be studied.
How can it be that a team that wins the Bundesliga for donkeys years now finishes 3rd as soon as Harry Kane joins
How can it be that a team that wins the Bundesliga for donkeys years now finishes 3rd as soon as Harry Kane joins
Especially when one considers the number of goals scored and Bundesliga records brokenI never believed in bad juju but this seriously needs to be studied.
How can it be that a team that wins the Bundesliga for donkeys years now finishes 3rd as soon as Harry Kane joins
He's bad luck and will be seen as the epitomy of Bayerns downfall when they don't win anything next year which to be fair is more down to the clowns in charge who don't seem to have a clue. But they will believe it, he will start to accept it and he''ll come back to the prem to chase Shearers record.
This is far too long and reads like basically a long list of excuses. The last bit is just wrongheaded. Eder scored one goal in one final. We're talking about a proper sample size of big games, which exists for Kane. 3 goals in 13 finals and semi finals prior to his arrival in Bayern. He is a top striker but simply not a big game player, and the evidence is ample. If you want to believe that he is, be my guest.
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This is funny but if could join us (I know it wasn’t possible) last summer he’d at least have fa cup
It doesn't work like that. Had you bought him in the summer there would have been no budget for other moves and it's likely that you wouldn't have won the cup with him.
No budget for Hojlund, Onana and Mount?
It was a mistake on his part to fold under public pressure and choose Bayern out of all clubs just to try and win trophies.
Over the last years it became obvious that Bayern was slowly reverting back to Hollywood FC days. Even if they grab a German title or two, I don't see this Bayern team achieving anything memorable.
I think Tottenham are in a better position to win an actually memorable trophy. Of course Bayern are more likely to win a trophy, but who's going to really care about another Bundesliga title or German cup? The only way Kane achieves a memorable trophy that adds to his legacy at Bayern is winning the CL, which doesn't seem likely (I doubt they'll get as good chance as this year in the near future). Meanwhile ANY trophy for Tottenham will be historic at this point, and would have added massively to Kane's legacy if he had stayed there.
While they get meme'd a lot, Tottenham had been in a steady upward trajectory as a club for a while, and I think that they will very likely win a trophy of some kind in the next 5 years, as competition will surely decline with enforced PSR and financial fair play rules, Klopp leaving and Guardiola probably leaving soon, and just general chaos that is in Chelsea and United. Kane basically gave up the chance to become an absolute legend for Tottenham and Premier League to play for a meh Bayern side.
It's sad to see it too as a neutral. Batistuta stayed in Fiorentina and those few cups that he won earned him a statue there, and all the neutrals loved him for it. If he were playing now everyone would probably want him to join Juventus just to win trophies as people have this weird obsession with superteams and stacking almost meaningless trophies now.
Over the last years it became obvious that Bayern was slowly reverting back to Hollywood FC days. Even if they grab a German title or two, I don't see this Bayern team achieving anything memorable.
I think Tottenham are in a better position to win an actually memorable trophy. Of course Bayern are more likely to win a trophy, but who's going to really care about another Bundesliga title or German cup? The only way Kane achieves a memorable trophy that adds to his legacy at Bayern is winning the CL, which doesn't seem likely (I doubt they'll get as good chance as this year in the near future). Meanwhile ANY trophy for Tottenham will be historic at this point, and would have added massively to Kane's legacy if he had stayed there.
While they get meme'd a lot, Tottenham had been in a steady upward trajectory as a club for a while, and I think that they will very likely win a trophy of some kind in the next 5 years, as competition will surely decline with enforced PSR and financial fair play rules, Klopp leaving and Guardiola probably leaving soon, and just general chaos that is in Chelsea and United. Kane basically gave up the chance to become an absolute legend for Tottenham and Premier League to play for a meh Bayern side.
It's sad to see it too as a neutral. Batistuta stayed in Fiorentina and those few cups that he won earned him a statue there, and all the neutrals loved him for it. If he were playing now everyone would probably want him to join Juventus just to win trophies as people have this weird obsession with superteams and stacking almost meaningless trophies now.
I reckon we could keep Dave for another season and that would have been better outcome. Having said that when I look how our wide players are selfish even Kane could struggle.
He'll forever curse not getting the City move.
Not only would he have won at least one trophy but he'd be well on the tail of Shearer now for the prem all time goals record.
Instead he probably does a couple more years at Bayern and will have a fight against time to claim that record.
Not only would he have won at least one trophy but he'd be well on the tail of Shearer now for the prem all time goals record.
Instead he probably does a couple more years at Bayern and will have a fight against time to claim that record.
I wonder if he has a dartboard at home with Levy's face pinned onto it.
Mr Kane seems a fairly happy go lucky sort of character, definitely not an overthinker, so probably not.
I could imagine him at home just smashing a ball into a wall, occasionally it smashing him in the face and nads and saying "i love football me"
Going to win the euros with England
I admire the optimism.
Similar to Haaland then.
Yep.
How many goals will Kane score against that random village team they play every year pre-season?
I know some German will come in here and lambast me for not knowing the name of a village with 500 people.
I know some German will come in here and lambast me for not knowing the name of a village with 500 people.
I'd say this every season, but I'll taken Bayern over the field in terms of winning the Bundesliga next season. They're just too much of a juggernaut to not start every campaign as the favorites.
What Leverkusen did was an anomaly and I'd bet Kane gets his trophy this time next year...if not this July...
What Leverkusen did was an anomaly and I'd bet Kane gets his trophy this time next year...if not this July...
We likely end up losing that final with his curse afflicting us
I find him pretty fecking poor for England to be honest. His goal record looks nice until you look deeper and realize it's a shiteload of penalties and stat padding against minnow countries. I'd like to see him dominate in the Euros this summer.
Play Bellingham up top, worked well enough for Real Madrid and will get Foden in his best position that way too