Personal attacks and name calling of players

The United fanbase is a bit of a basket case. I doubt there's another fanbase in football where a large section of it at any given time seem to despise their own players.

And top players for us like Rooney, Rashford and Bruno don't even escape the vitriol. The opposite is true if anything.

And while we're probably all guilty of insulting certain players at certain times. I can't imagine hating virtually the entire squad. Supporting a football team with that mindset must be a very miserable experience.
 
Berbasbullet said:
This is a stupid point. Stop being stupid.
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It's not stupid at all. What's stupid is the acceptance of where we are by people. No standards anymore.

Shit football needs calling out. Shit players need calling out.
 
LordSpud said:
It's not stupid at all. What's stupid is the acceptance of where we are by people. No standards anymore.

Shit football needs calling out. Shit players need calling out.
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Nobody debated this. It's the way some people 'call them out'.
 
SonOfFergie said:
Not sure it is that easy. Rashford and Sancho for example are for me shit as players, weak mentality and also I don't like them on a personal level. Shit attitude, think they are better than they are. The sooner they are gone the better. I have tons of more respect and time for Maguire for example. Less talented, also fame got to his head, the fall from grace. But he showed mental fortuitude when the going gets tough. The shit he had to go through. Established himself back in the team. I have a lot more respect for him than beforementioned clowns.
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Where did you meet them? :confused:
 
Solius said:
Nobody debated this. It's the way some people 'call them out'.
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I think people are fully justified with the comments they put Vs what the team is doing at the moment. 90% of the forum is infuriated by what they are seeing.
 
I see people here daily with 10k posts, who can't even spell our players' names. And then if they miss a chance, come out yelling names.

I am honestly very close to calling it a day for this forum and leaving because I see how appalling some of you are.
 
I agree, I was pointing this out for some time now, it is beyond cringe and childish behavior.
People who attack and name call players just expose themselves as clowns.
 
LordSpud said:
I think people are fully justified with the comments they put Vs what the team is doing at the moment. 90% of the forum is infuriated by what they are seeing.
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You think people are justified calling players idiots, wankers, etc?

I can maybe see it if you think someone isn't putting a shift in, but the majority of our players are trying their best and just aren't good enough for whatever reason. That doesn't make them dickheads or deserving of insults. That is never going to make someone play better. Does 22 year old Hojlund deserve to be called every name under the sun just because he isn't making the grade in one of the top leagues in world football? He's still reached a level that probably 0.01% of footballers ever get to. He's achieved more than you ever will and you think you have the high ground here?

It's fine to be angry and frustrated but channel it in the right way. Name calling is a bit embarrassing and imo anyone who reverts to that is a bit infantile.
 
Personal attacks and name calling are definitely not on. I wonder if there are players who read posts on these forums too. In fact (and I could be misremembering ) back in the early years of the caf, there was a youth player’s parent on these boards who posted semi-regularly.
 
LordSpud said:
It's not stupid at all. What's stupid is the acceptance of where we are by people. No standards anymore.

Shit football needs calling out. Shit players need calling out.
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It is stupid.

If you think for a second that being personally abusive towards players who play for your club (on any platform) is in any way productive, and in any way will help the club is stupid.

No one is saying you can't criticise! They all deserve huge levels of criticism, but getting personal doesn't help anyone.
 
DRJosh said:
Personal attacks and name calling are definitely not on. I wonder if there are players who read posts on these forums too. In fact (and I could be misremembering ) back in the early years of the caf, there was a youth player’s parent on these boards who posted semi-regularly.
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Pretty sure we had Shola Shoretire's dad at one point recently.
 
LordSpud said:
Shit football needs calling out. Shit players need calling out.
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I have a gut feeling that the underperforming players already know they're underperforming. Don't recall too many situations where a player has improved by being attacked by so called fans. It's okay to be mad, but our job is to support the team. It's the only way forward.

No amount of abuse is going to transform our current team into a winning side. No amount of support is going to transform us either. But as a player (if it was me) i'd be more motivated to right our wrongs if I felt the support of the fans.

Be nice. It's just football. If you can't do that, stay away from the stadium and/or the message boards. Nothing worse than "supporters" acting like idiots.
 
It’s been getting worse for years, and now it seems perfectly acceptable to refers to players as ‘cnuts’ etc
 
My partner always attacks my performance but doesn't use hurtful language
 
As someone who’s been on football internet forums since 2001, this has always existed within every fanbase but the rise of social media has made it transparent and amplified it.

A lot of the stuff on modern social media is a bunch of edgy teenagers whose lives are yet to have adult responsibilities so therefore all their free time goes into a hobby like football, and they’re all trying to one-up eachother in being shocking and an edgelord, but provide no substance or debate to their inflammatory sound bites, which should mean you never take them seriously.

This place is fairly tame compared to some forums I’ve been in. A bunch of users I knew and played online gaming with were quite venomous for their teams but did it a tongue in cheek way because it contributed to the engaging and funny content of that forum. I know a guy who was a WBA fan who would go in big time on certain players in the 2000s akin to a Malcolm Tucker rant on The Thick Of It. Thanks to him, me and a bunch of users know a bunch of vulgar but funny nicknames for old WBA players and how shit they were. At no point, did anyone think he was going to go postal or did anyone say that’s too naughty or you shouldn’t post that as players read stuff.

Sometimes it just feels good to vent online and channel your anger and frustration into something funny and/or informative has been my mantra. Don’t go full crazy and take it to the real world. It’s a bunch of dumb footballers at the end of the day, of whom a considerable amount of them are out of touch, egomaniac dickheads who absolutely should not be seen as role models no matter what the media say.
 
Cheap personal digs, childish name calling and sleights on the character of people posters don’t actually know are gradually putting me off the forum.

I visit a lot less now, and feel less engaged when I do.

The Amorim and Senior Management Team Talk threads, for example, are a very depressing read and generally best avoided.

Appreciate all the efforts the mods put in trying to prevent, in their own time too. Must feel like trying to shore up a dam with your fingers.
 
Herschel Krustofsky said:
Appreciate all the efforts the mods put in trying to prevent, in their own time too. Must feel like trying to shore up a dam with your fingers.
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Yeah I should say, it's not really a comment on the modding. I think it must feel like a tidal wave at times currently.

@Jippy replied and I didn't get a chance to respond.

I think we need to be a little better at taking a deep breath before resorting to insulting a players character just because they don't finish well or whatever. Its my thread and it's still advice I need to follow.
 
all so precious. Typical of today's world really. least it's another thing to cry about. who cares, we are dog shit. if people want to call an underperforming, over paid player obscenities, who cares. if people want to reserve their judgement, good for you, who cares.
 
There's a difference between criticising a person and a person's actions. It's something I still struggle with doing because I too was a teenage edgelord once upon a time. But saying someone played badly or did X or Y badly is not the same as calling them shit, if more of us did the former and less of us did the latter it might not feel like such a hostile place at times.
 
GL21 said:
all so precious. Typical of today's world really. least it's another thing to cry about. who cares, we are dog shit. if people want to call an underperforming, over paid player obscenities, who cares. if people want to reserve their judgement, good for you, who cares.
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It's more than that though isn't it?
It's a relentless pile on, orchestrated (in some cases) by YouTubers (Goldbridge et al).who are making money off the constant conflict.

I remember after the cup final when Goldbridge posted a picture of a clearly emotional Rashford with a comment along the lines of PRASHFORD at it again. There was no need for that.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
I think we need to be a little better at taking a deep breath before resorting to insulting a players character just because they don't finish well or whatever. Its my thread and it's still advice I need to follow.
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completely agree. after a loss i tend to log myself off, go for a walk and take some time to calm down. i’ll head to the spa at the racquets club and i’ll sleep on it before grabbing a load of pain au chocolats from the bakery the next day and hollowing out the chocolate and replacing it with dogshit, before sending them on to ten hag.
 
Hilarious how this is even a thread to be honest. A thread where some posters are arguing for the right to abuse our own players.

When you're whinging that you are being discouraging from slagging off our players to the full extent of your abilities, do you not stop and think what the feck you're actually doing?
 
I think I'm one step closer to figuring out where the players get their feebleness from.
 
I personally feel the behaviours of some of our fans are part of the problem. The online abuse, the name calling really doesn't help with the performances of the players. I'm sure the players do read social media too, imagine being called names, being called useless when your confidence is already all time low is not going to help the players.

The reality is we are broke, we do not have the money to change an entire squad. The only way out of this rut is for the players to perform. For example, Hojlund, in ideal situation he should not be the one to carry our attacking burden at such young age. But because our bad recruitment and finances, we have to. He is here, and he is what we have. Imagine him coming online seeing all sort of abuses being hurl at him. Ya, that will help him improve. If he cannot take the abuse, he doesn't have the mentality and he should leave. Right, and who do we have to replace him?

Same for our manager. Yes he is all sorts of stubborn, but is 4 months really an adequate time to appraise the manager? In the first place, did he really have 4 months to bring about changes? He came in right in the difficult run of games, 2 per week, in a new league learning new players etc. After that in Jan, he had less players than before and in Feb he has lost even more to injuries. 2 out of the 4 months, he was busy fire fighting, managing schedules etc. And the amount of abuse he is getting is already crazy, some are even making light of him looking depressed, burnt out etc which is frankly disgusting.

Sometimes I feel the best thing that can happen to us now is to get relegated, reset the expectation of some fans, maybe the Glazers will then sell, and less media coverage on us to really to a rebuild. rant over.
 
This shouldn't even be a debate, just enforce the rules.

The original post is spot on.

We have never met these players, we don't know them from Adam but some of the comments on here are out of bounds.

I got a warning that has now expired for referring to a manager as weak piss. After I had calmed down I realised I deserved it as it added nothing to the conversation.
 
stevoc said:
The United fanbase is a bit of a basket case. I doubt there's another fanbase in football where a large section of it at any given time seem to despise their own players.

And top players for us like Rooney, Rashford and Bruno don't even escape the vitriol. The opposite is true if anything.

And while we're probably all guilty of insulting certain players at certain times. I can't imagine hating virtually the entire squad. Supporting a football team with that mindset must be a very miserable experience.
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How many football forums have you read apart from ours? The supporters of clubs in Spain and Italy are far, far worse and always have been. And in the stadiums, some of their players have copped dreadful abuse from their own supporters including that player who had an Italian father I think and an African mother. Sorry, I can`t remember his name but shockingly some of his own club`s supporters were racially abusing him when he was on pitch as well as off it. Absolutely disgusting.

I know the UK isn`t Europe but going back to when Liverpool and Manchester City were losing out to Manchester United including Liverpool`s title drought, their supporters` forums had people on there who had the knives out for their own players. And do you really believe that supporters `who hate the entire squad` make up any significant number?

Let`s not get carried away in the opposite sense, exaggerating the negativity of the rdedcafe, a lot of which is the usual sports fan frustration when the team they follow is a shadow of its former self. Some people on here are overreacting because it`s the way United is playing and losing and the way the club is nosediving and becoming the opposite of what it is supposed to stand for.
How serious they are sometimes can`t be gauged online. I agree we can do without negative comments that offer no rationale or are just put downs and a form of harassment of players but a bit of venting can be tolerated otherwise this forum will become only for certain posters.
 
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stoinz said:
I personally feel the behaviours of some of our fans are part of the problem. The online abuse, the name calling really doesn't help with the performances of the players. I'm sure the players do read social media too, imagine being called names, being called useless when your confidence is already all time low is not going to help the players.
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It`s good to see some sensitivity towards players who after all are doing their professional sports job in the glare of social media which blows so many things out of proportion and encourages some people to be horrible because they`re relatively anonymous or anonymous online.

The line between sports pro and celebrity has been blurred for some time and the attention is much heavier than it was when newspapers, TV and radio were the media covering professional football and other sports.

Even when the net`s role expanded, before the days of twitter and instagram the scrutiny was not so intense because there were not the instantaneous responses there are now to everything newsworthy or deemed newsworthy and not the sheer numbers of people chipping in to give their opinion or argue with somebody else`s.
 
ryansgirl said:
How many football forums have you read apart from ours? The supporters of clubs in Spain and Italy are far, far worse and always have been. And in the stadiums, some of their players have copped dreadful abuse from their own supporters including that player who had an Italian father I think and an African mother. Sorry, I can`t remember his name but shockingly some of his own club`s supporters were racially abusing him when he was on pitch as well as off it. Absolutely disgusting.
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Lots over the years.

ryansgirl said:
I know the UK isn`t Europe but going back to when Liverpool and Manchester City were losing out to Manchester United including Liverpool`s title drought, their supporters` forums had people on there who had the knives out for their own players. And do you really believe that supporters `who hate the entire squad` make up any significant number?
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Define significant?

ryansgirl said:
Let`s not get carried away in the opposite sense, exaggerating the negativity of the rdedcafe, a lot of which is the usual sports fan frustration when the team they follow is a shadow of its former self. Some people on here are overreacting because it`s the way United is playing and losing and the way the club is nosediving and becoming the opposite of what it is supposed to stand for.
How serious they are sometimes can`t be gauged online. I agree we can do without negative comments that offer no rationale or are just put downs and a form of harassment of players but a bit of venting can be tolerated otherwise this forum will become only for certain posters.
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It's been a constant theme post SAF, not just when we're on a downward slump.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
No. This club is too easy to play for. We shouldn't put up with this garbage.

Old Trafford is very forgiving and fair with a few exceptions.

Being a united player makes you a global star instantly. Play like it. People died for this club.

If you're shit you deserve to be called out. If you don't try you should be booted out.
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One of the things SAF did better than possibly any manager in the history of football is create a bubble around the players to block out any outside noise precisely because of the pressure that comes with playing for Manchester United. He did this because supporters calling out players is both meaningless and it's very unlikely anything good will come of it. Also most of these supporters would actually shrivel where they stand if they were to say these things while standing face to face with Maguire, or Antony, or Hoijland, or whoever the target of the latest temper tantrums is.
 
Not being allowed to express my feelings with insulting names like Garbacho stifles my creativity.
 
Yes we criticise and insult players when they deserve it but we’re also one of the best fan bases for giving managers support etc. especially the fans that go to OT. Our away fans are by far the best in the world. What other teams fans travels in numbers and out sings home teams fans despite us being awful.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
It's more than that though isn't it?
It's a relentless pile on, orchestrated (in some cases) by YouTubers (Goldbridge et al).who are making money off the constant conflict.

I remember after the cup final when Goldbridge posted a picture of a clearly emotional Rashford with a comment along the lines of PRASHFORD at it again. There was no need for that.
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yea I agree, he's using this for click bait type of attention I'm guessing. no time for that rubbish. but here I couldn't care less
 
Pretty simple for me. If you can't find it within yourself to support the team when we're struggling, then you don't really deserve to enjoy the good times when they arrive.
 
I think if another big club performed like ours recently, the situation would be worse. I think our fans have been quite good general tbh. You'll have a few posters going too far with insults but you get that on any platform.
 
stevoc said:
Lots over the years.



Define significant?



It's been a constant theme post SAF, not just when we're on a downward slump.
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Can`t give you the other comment you wrote either `I doubt there`s another fanbase in football where a large section of it at any given time seems to despise their own players`.

You seem to be getting confused with the fanbase of the factor clubs in Serie A and B and some of the fans of La Liga clubs. Jeering at and whistling at your own players is an established practice in those leagues and it`s done in their own clubs` stadiums as well the verbal attacks on suppporter forums. Even then it`s a case of empty vessels making the most noise.

I used to have logins on the Liverpool, Manchester City and Arsenal forums. As is always the case in following a football team there were always whingeing supporters/angry supporters when Manchester United was the top dog. Liverpool`s title drought didn`t always show the famed scouse humour, for example, and there were conversations about how this or that `cnut` needed to go. That`s a mild example.

Your exaggeration of the numbers and kinds of supporters who `despite` United players and `hate the squad` also misses the fact that football clubs that have never been highly successful or never successful at all unlike Manchester United will have supporters who are used to their situation.

I`m not surprised there are United supporters online who are venting too much or being unfair because our club has managed to undo just about everything it stood for post Sir Alex due to poor boardroom decisions, impatience with managers who couldn`t provide quickly the attacking formula we`d become used to that also won The Treble, not selecting enough for character when buying players, etc etc.

The lack of players who keep pushing when the chips are down on the pitch is notable, too many of the players we`ve had for some time now drop their heads when things go wrong and the undermining of past managers by players on sm such as Luke Shaw should have been dealt with by getting rid. That would have happened under Sir Alex. Criticism is to be expected. However, you`re exaggerating the posters who seem to be incapable of analysis and just make a sentence or two saying they hate this player or that and calling them whatever.
 
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