6-7th is not midtable
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches
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Not even remotely true, try again.
That's not true considering they both got close to 20 goals that season, prior to Ronaldo signing.
Yeah Garnacho has the same no obvious position problem Bruno has.
Not the season before Ronaldo, Rashford got 21 but only 11 of those were in the league and Martial managed only 7 in all competitions with 4 coming in the league.
With the way both Hojlund and Garnacho were seemingly deployed against Ipswich he has a role as wide forward. The question is whether Amorim will stick with this or not, if I remember correctly @SCP said that it is one of the ways he deployed certain players with Sporting, it wasn't always 2 central attacking midfielders?
I don’t think we are as far away as results suggest and if we get rid of Rashford and Garnacho in the summer, I think it indicates a clear plan of what he wants to achieve. Standards are crucial and the club have allowed them to drop like a stone.
If we do those PSR (Rashford, Garnacho, and maybe even Kobbie) deals in the summer, we are an LWB, CM, a dynamic No.10 and CF away from being a very good team. I honestly think the margins are still that tight. A competent GK can be added to the list, and there are probably some options that could come in at very little cost.
That obviously has to be accompanied by a dressing room change and a complete overhaul of standards and squad mentality, but the recent fight in games, the Rashford exile and individuals like de Ligt and Ugarte coming in, suggest that this could be underway.
I like him and want to stick with him, I think he is slowly giving us what we need.
If we do those PSR (Rashford, Garnacho, and maybe even Kobbie) deals in the summer, we are an LWB, CM, a dynamic No.10 and CF away from being a very good team. I honestly think the margins are still that tight. A competent GK can be added to the list, and there are probably some options that could come in at very little cost.
That obviously has to be accompanied by a dressing room change and a complete overhaul of standards and squad mentality, but the recent fight in games, the Rashford exile and individuals like de Ligt and Ugarte coming in, suggest that this could be underway.
I like him and want to stick with him, I think he is slowly giving us what we need.
You've got that wrong I think.
20/21 was the season before Ronaldo. Martial scored 4 league goals. 7 in total.
As I've just said, Rashford got 4 league goals from January onwards in 20/21. That's in 22 games.
It's a myth Ronaldo stopped them scoring. That was already well underway.
Lets see how he does against good opposition and more consistently but hopefully he can grow into it. I don't know if he has the ability to be more than a winger at the moment though.
That's the point you can play in 343 with wingers.
Jesus Christ this thread man
Amad's not even shown he can stay fit for a full Prem League season yet.
It's so premature to say he can bag 20 league goals.
His best time for United has come in a 3-4-3 system as wing back but yeah some people think that he scores 20 goals in a 4-3-3 system.
What people would say just to get formation changed
I appreciate we need more athletic players but still don't buy that recruiting to players who suit a 3421 won't mean recruiting different players than we wpuld be if we were playing a 433
I think so many United fans are living in a complete fantasy land right now. We’ve seen how some players suddenly get better on their eyes when they’ve been injured for a few weeks, suddenly they become amongst the best in the league if we change formation.
Just wait until we have a proper preseason. We will be totally awesome.
Yes, also...
Zirkzee hasn't shown that he can operate and link well with others as a false #9 in the most congested area of the pitch.
Rashford hasn't shown in kind of consistency as the main attacking threat.
The question still remains regarding Bruno and the false #9 trying to occupy the same pockets of space.
Dalot, Mazraui and Dorgu haven't shown that they can provide creativity in the wide areas.
The centre-halves won't become any quicker and more proactive in a back-four.
If only football was played on a piece of paper.
And not a single one of them was ever remotely true.
We are probably the team that underperform the most in the PL. Our players should be good enough for top 10, but not top 6, without overperforming one bit.
That isn't our front 3 we started the season with to be fair. It's just what we currently have available.
Ah I see. Fair enough. No worries.
Never said that... if I understand you correctly(that we would be buying different players if we played 433). I'm saying either way, 433 or 3421, we are getting players that are better than what we have and the players we have needs to get sold.
No manager deserves that. They have to earn it.
Agreed
People wouldn't have a problem with a rebuild if it looked like Arsenal's. Being in the mix for European football but just falling short but there are green shoots of progress.
What they don't want is a team to be near the relegation zone in a rebuild. Surely that's not difficult to see? The short term pain fans talk about is qualifying for the Europa League or Conference League.
The club hasn't been in a financial position for years now to be in the position we're in. That's why managers do what they did.
If we had all the players performing to their capabilities this season including those out on loan, then yeah I agree with your assessment of where we should be finishing. Unfortunately, a lot has gone wrong including with the managers and executives and the players. Perfect storm. No one can escape blame for this mess on the football side of the club.
We were already in 12th before Amorim got here. It’s not insane that we’ve dropped a mere two places in that time where we’ve lost a lot of our forward players and tried a new style.
The short term pain fans talk about is not real pain if they think that’s just lower European places. They aren’t prepared for an actual rebuild.
I'd say it's both. Hojlund isn't good enough to be a starter consistently and we've potentially ruined him. Shouldn't have signed him unless we were sure we could have got rid of Martial last season and replace him with a dependable experienced forward. Also, Onana isn't good enough period.
Yeah Rashford regularly got good goal scoring outputs for the season but at least half of them were in the cups not the league so it skews how his numbers are viewed.
So you're saying Arsenal's rebuild is not a proper rebuild because they didn't finish in the lower half of the table when they changed both almost the whole squad and their executives?
Also, we were 12th after 11 games. That's not even 1/3 of the season gone yet. Plenty of time to improve and be in the top half. Bournemouth were in the bottom half and Newcastle were 10th and now both are in the European places. Palace were also in the relegation zone and are now midtable.
He always speaks really well.
Obviously not. Why would I say that it’s not a proper rebuild? There’s just different ones. Theirs worked (although they’ve barely won anything). We’re going a different route.
Well they might still finish in top 10.
But look at Arsenal struggling now they have a few forwards out injured. Haven't scored in 3 of their last 4 games. The one they did score in was against Leicester.
How well drilled you are can only do so much if you don't have the talent.
Arsenal had and have forwards capable of scoring 10-15 league goals. Saka, Havertz, Martinelli...
It's exactly what we're missing.
Havertz is memed a lot, but he has scored more goals this season than our entire frontline put together.
Speculating that Zirkzee as false 9 in 442 would lead to Rashford and Amad scoring 20 goals each is some next level theorycraft.
It's exactly what we're missing.
Havertz is memed a lot, but he has scored more goals this season than our entire frontline put together.
Speculating that Zirkzee as false 9 in 442 would lead to Rashford and Amad scoring 20 goals each is some next level theorycraft.
I can see Zirkzee becoming very good at holding up the ball and putting others through. His final ball isn‘t good enough yet, but he is good at dribbling out of tight spaces.
Højlund looks broken, imo he needs a loan somewhere.
Hojlund and Zirkzee are not the only problems.
Garnacho has scored 2 out of what...17 big chances? Appaling, considering his selfishness and ego.
If some of these 3 doesn't hit form we are in big trouble.
He always speaks really well.
He said the same thing we're all saying that these players can play better
Arsenal have scored 51 goals this season despite the fact that none of their attackers have individually done amazingly. A poor run of form in 4 games is not very meaningful IMO, many teams have such runs of form throughout the season regardless of injury situations.
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You don't think recently struggling to score goals and recently suffering more injuries up top are linked?
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