Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches

lsd said:
Were you like this with Ten Hag as we are in so much financial terrible backing him?

We would have to be completely insane to go down that road again with Amorim going by what we have seen so far.

He had not improved one single player since he has been here and has only got one system which does not work in the premiership.

Time does not fix what will never work
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This is how I feel as well. He’s just out his depth. I like him and he comes across well in interviews, but the football is horrendous.
 
lsd said:
Were you like this with Ten Hag as we are in so much financial terrible backing him?

We would have to be completely insane to go down that road again with Amorim going by what we have seen so far.

He had not improved one single player since he has been here and has only got one system which does not work in the premiership.

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I totally agree mate.

We definitely need better players, but we will be stupid beyond words if we bring in specialist players for this ludicrous system he plays.
 
Coinceicao is doing a terrible job at Milan and they are already eying up replacements according to reports.

Just maybe the Portuguese league isn’t a great league to be signing managers from. I just can’t take a manager seriously, when he is glued to one formation and refuses to change.
 
Garethw said:
I totally agree mate.

We definitely need better players, but we will be stupid beyond words if we bring in specialist players for this ludicrous system he plays.
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We’d look fecking better if we brought in players for the system. We’re not going back to the system that got us into this mess.
 
I feel for him because the attacking options are so poor. One of the worst in the league. One of our best attacking threats is out (Amad) and we had to loan out three others who were not doing the business and didn't turn up this season (Rashford, Sancho, Antony). He gave two of the youth players a significant amount of time today, which is positive. But, we have to be expecting so much more from Hojlund, Zirkzee, and Garnacho. Their contributions are just not good enough. Amad and Bruno have carried us this season and one of them isn't available now.

He has to do better, and I'm sure he knows that. My issue is that we had significant problems before Amorim turned up. We've bought the wrong sorts of players and have haemorrhaged so much money due to poor buys, huge wages, debt, the Glazer's being cnuts, etc, all of which contribute to the mess that we're in. It's all well and good lambasting Amorim for not playing free-flowing attacking football, but look at the players at the top end of the pitch. Zirkzee can't run, Hojlund is invisible, and Garnacho can't actually hit the target, and under-hits shots when he does.

All of this talk of it being an unusual formation and players not knowing their roles is all very convenient for me. What will our next set of excuses be when the next manager comes in after Amorim? That the ball is too round? The goals aren't wide enough? The pitch is too big?
 
thisisnottaken1 said:
We’d look fecking better if we brought in players for the system. We’re not going back to the system that got us into this mess.
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So you think that 343 is the INEOS way going forward?

I’d bet good money that when Amorim is sacked they bring in a 433 manager. I just don’t want us wasting money on specialist system players that instantly become deadwood when we get a new manager.
 
WouterWeghorst said:
We spend 20 million on getting rid of ten Hag and the person who said not to fire ten Hag, just to get even worse. Joke of a football club. It’s not when it rains it poors. We are 7 feet deep into a dive in a pool.
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Fake news
 
Garethw said:
So you think that 343 is the INEOS way going forward?

I’d bet good money that when Amorim is sacked they bring in a 433 manager. I just don’t want us wasting money on specialist system players that instantly become deadwood when we get a new manager.
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I think we need good players much more than we need specialist players.
 
Bojan11 said:
Coinceicao is doing a terrible job at Milan and they are already eying up replacements according to reports.

Just maybe the Portuguese league isn’t a great league to be signing managers from. I just can’t take a manager seriously, when he is glued to one formation and refuses to change.
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I agree these smaller leagues are only viable for managers who do exceedingly well outside of it. For instance Jose winning the European cup with Porto it gives him pedigree to step into the role at Chelsea and even be given time as it's a monumental achievement.

Amorim / Erik both achieved domestically but had little to show for in Europe. No matter the opposition United are up the against the team is null and void tactically, it's not a coincidence it's happened under both managers coming from non-competitive leagues.
 
hobbers said:
You think spending £15m to sack him to bring in Rooney or someone even worse for 3 months is a good use of money we dont have?
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Sack him in the summer then. Sack him and don't bring anyone in as a temp, It will make f all difference.
 
He's utterly useless. He needs to go, total joke of a manager, and it's completely ridiculous how some think we're actually this bad. He's the problem.
 
I don't trust this bloke with a transfer budget. Sack him and get someone in who plays with 2 CBs and 3 CMs.

Some people seem to have developed Stockholm Syndrome with him. Yes, our squad isn't great but it's certainly capable of achieving more than what he's done with his negative tactics.
 
hobbers said:
Nope.
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How can you definitely say this? I like Amorin, want him to succeed, but objectively he’s shown absolutely nothing…nothing. Ten Hag had many faults and undoubtably left us in a mess, but we literally never sank this low under him and while we were inconsistent at least we would pull the odd good result out and comfortable win. This is objectively the worst we have been post Fergie, don’t see how anyone can argue otherwise.
 
I don't think some posters understand what giving a manager time means. It doesn't mean continuously judging if they are right for the job when they come in mid season, take over a truly shambolic situation, have one new player and then lose 6 first team players to injury.

I've no idea if Amorim is the right manager yet, but I don't think now is the time to be judging it.

The owners will not be sacking him either, so it's not really even worth debating is it?
 
I would like to see him try a different formation. Sure, if you get the right personnel the 3-4-2-1 can work, but right now we arguably don’t have a single player that’s the right fit for this system against PL opposition. The reality is that good passing teams who play 3 central midfielders can by-pass the centre of the park far too easily.

I’ve seen people say that if Chelsea can win the league with this formation, then it’s proof that it works, but if anything, it’s proof about just how important the correct players are. They had prime Kante, one of the only players in PL era who can actually do the job of two players, next to Matic who was great at carrying the ball and rarely gave it away. Then -even though he played as more of a winger than a LF - Eden Hazard was one of the best players in the league. I have no doubt that Diogo Dalot has better technique as a footballer than victor moses, but Moses was absolutely perfect for the RWB role and Alonso was the same on the other side. They had probably 8/11 of their players be absolutely perfect for the formation, hence why conte (a genius tactical manager) switched to it.

I would like to see him at least try the 4321… ask the same of the front 3 (which isn’t saying much) but shore up the middle of the park in sacrifice of one CB

Onana

Mazaroui
De ligt
Yoro
Heaven

Ugarte
Casemiro
Bruno

Mainoo
Garnacho
Obi

That’s a team I can get behind
 
stepic said:
It really is.

I need to stop visiting it, some fans honestly don’t deserve good football.
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If the football was good there wouldn’t be the complaints.

We play like a fecking championship team every single game and you wonder why there is discontent? With the trajectory we are on, this manager will likely relegate us next season.
 
astracrazy said:
Show me the good football....
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good football with what good players we have? name me our exciting attackers we have for this good football everyone is harping on about

Garna? who didn't pull trees today? Hojlund? Zirkzee. Name me our midfielders that will play good football?

we only have Bruno, get real.
 
astracrazy said:
Show me the good football....
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You need patience for that, something most of the people in this thread have none of whatsoever.

Garethw said:
If the football was good there wouldn’t be the complaints.

We play like a fecking championship team every single game and you wonder why there is discontent? With the trajectory we are on, this manager will likely relegate us next season.
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Because blaming the manager is so braindead when we are relying on goals from Hojlund, Zirkzee and Garnacho. It’s not difficult.
 
Camilo said:
He's utterly useless. He needs to go, total joke of a manager, and it's completely ridiculous how some think we're actually this bad. He's the problem.
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Bruno’s the only player who gets into the Fulham team. We are that bad.
 
We are struggling to score goals which is quite evident, and he plays 5 defensive players at the back. This has nothing to do with formation, he needs to be more attacking.I dont think he has tried once to change this in all the losing games.
 
GaryLifo said:
I don't think some posters understand what giving a manager time means. It doesn't mean continuously judging if they are right for the job when they come in mid season, take over a truly shambolic situation, have one new player and then lose 6 first team players to injury.

I've no idea if Amorim is the right manager yet, but I don't think now is the time to be judging it.

The owners will not be sacking him either, so it's not really even worth debating is it?
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What I can't understand is there being a notion to back the manager?

Last summer the overwhelming opinion on the forum was that there was no sufficient replacements for Erik Ten Hag. That was the consensus throughout the summer and just because Amorim has been announced it doesn't change that sentiment.

By Ruben's own words a manager earns his time at a club, that means there's a feasibility to perform and do well. The issue with United has never at one point been giving managers too small a period of time, it's not having the foresight to see the trajectory of where the manager is heading before veering off course.

Amorim is dejected and his interview with Ferdinand is an absolution behind the reality of being inexperienced and dealing with an entity the size of this club. If throwing money at the problem is the justification, then tell me what patience is there when you consider PSR and the increasing likelihood that no more than 2 or more signings can potentially be made.

Are fans unreasonable to demand improvement on the pitch, I don't think this to be the case. It's not like he's being demanded to reach top four it's to have some semblance of consistency in games and to build a foundation that a further structure can be built on.

I'd wager that INEOS would be absolutely senile to provide Amorim with a plethora of funds. It will be the same revolving door rebuild where the existing manager fails, the squad is build solely from players who fit his ideology and then the instance repeats itself with the next individual hired.

Lets honestly take a look at the managers who have been hired in categories from world class to being reputable: Jose, LVG, Ole, Moyes, Ragnick, Erik and Amorim. It's not the mount Rushmore of management and what the managers have done since departing United is further evidence of it.
 
I so badly want this guy to suceed. We have an easy run at the EL, hopefully he can pull something off. (Any other day it should be fecking easy for us to steamroll this competition without any of the best in the world teams ffs). I know he doesn't have the players for it, but damn man. We were NEVER this bad, we still have the same damn players that were top 6-8. Good managers adapt, just for now at least!
 
I like Amorim but I don’t think his system and philosophy matches the club. We expect UTD to be direct and to attack, but this system with the five at the back is very passive, and a little slow. I think he will get much better results if we back him well and sign good players in the summer, but couldn’t you say that about any manager? I’m not convinced that we will be continuing with this ‘idea’ as Ruben puts it by the end of next season.
 
FriedClams said:
I would like to see him try a different formation. Sure, if you get the right personnel the 3-4-2-1 can work, but right now we arguably don’t have a single player that’s the right fit for this system against PL opposition. The reality is that good passing teams who play 3 central midfielders can by-pass the centre of the park far too easily.

I’ve seen people say that if Chelsea can win the league with this formation, then it’s proof that it works, but if anything, it’s proof about just how important the correct players are. They had prime Kante, one of the only players in PL era who can actually do the job of two players, next to Matic who was great at carrying the ball and rarely gave it away. Then -even though he played as more of a winger than a LF - Eden Hazard was one of the best players in the league. I have no doubt that Diogo Dalot has better technique as a footballer than victor moses, but Moses was absolutely perfect for the RWB role and Alonso was the same on the other side. They had probably 8/11 of their players be absolutely perfect for the formation, hence why conte (a genius tactical manager) switched to it.

I would like to see him at least try the 4321… ask the same of the front 3 (which isn’t saying much) but shore up the middle of the park in sacrifice of one CB

Onana

Mazaroui
De ligt
Yoro
Heaven

Ugarte
Casemiro
Bruno

Mainoo
Garnacho
Obi

That’s a team I can get behind
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Let's say we give this a try.

Well, first of all, he can't play that team today as Mainoo isn't available. Let's say we go into half-time 1-0 down today. Who does he bring off the bench to change that up? 4-2-3-1 doesn't suddenly mean Garnacho is going to hit the target, nor does it mean Obi will suddenly be 5 years older. Your front 3 shows exactly what the problem is, and those problems will remain whatever formation we play.
 
Superunknown said:
Let's say we give this a try.

Well, first of all, he can't play that team today as Mainoo isn't available. Let's say we go into half-time 1-0 down today. Who does he bring off the bench to change that up? 4-2-3-1 doesn't suddenly mean Garnacho is going to hit the target, nor does it mean Obi will suddenly be 5 years older. Your front 3 shows exactly what the problem is, and those problems will remain whatever formation we play.
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I know we don’t have the personnel, it’s Just something I’d like to see in one of our upcoming meaningless league games
 
Terrible stuff, as usual. What a horrible side this guy has assembled. All these coaches trying to outsmart themselves it seems. Rubbish system, since he’s come here half of his team are defenders in any given game, and you can draw a very logical straight line to his decisions and why we struggle to score goals. When you set up with Christian Eriksen, Diogo Dalot and Noussair Mazraoui constantly being the players receiving the ball in the dangerous positions then you get what you deserve. It seems creativity is supposed to come from centre halves or something. Half of the time we have the ball in good areas, it’s a defender that’s on it. Yoro probably had no idea he would be ending up as a winger so frequently when he joined us.
 
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